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[N.E. Brigand]

16 hours ago, xandandl said:

Your too frequent potshots at religion for whatever motivations as well as by other posters takes a European political matter and tries to apply it to drum corps while doing nothing to help the victims or improve the situations. Yet it is you who always present yourself as infallible or attempt to be the alpha-male on DCP imo. There are more police cases of sexual abuse of minors among public school teachers and Protestant ministers  than against Catholic clergy, many of whom were sent of to secluded minor seminaries at age 13 and never fully matured sexually.. (cf. the Huffington Post article about the stats of public school teachers and Protestant clergy.)

I'll be off DCP probably by October first if not sooner. It really has sadly drifted to low-life-ville this year.

For anyone (like me) scratching their heads at this post, you may find some edification in this New York Times article, which I found useful and provide without further comment.

[N.E. Brigand]

3 hours ago, xandandl said:

Hear here!

False accusations are awful. But it's much more common for victims to keep silent and for perpetrators to go unpunished.

[Terri Schehr]

9 minutes ago, JimF-LowBari said:

Maybe the moral is you never can tell even by being around a person. Have a distant in law who we’d see few times a year (usually when he’d mooch a holiday meal). Lazy sack, kind of sorry for himself but ok to be around as had a funny personality. He missed a few holidays and found out he was in prison on child porn charges. Jaw dropper to say the least. He got out and back in again for a few years. Worked with an IT contractor who was always top of his game and professional. He was arrested as a VIOLENT predator so never can tell.

That’s true.  

[xandandl]

14 minutes ago, N.E. Brigand said:

For anyone (like me) scratching their heads at this post, you may find some edification in this New York Times article, which I found useful and provide without further comment.

That's exactly the European politics of which I am speaking which has no direct relationship to drum corps.

If you knew about the author Vigano'  of the disputed letter who once served for a very short time as the ambassador to the United States from the Vatican but was removed for various reasons, you would know that the letter, written by a journalist Tossati from La Stampa, an Italian journal and signed by the 80 year old retiree is part of a long dismissal of the current man who sits in St. Peter's Chair. Much of his hate for the current Pope even predates the Pope's election several years ago. Compare the NY Times article to that in the Washington Post to that in La Stampa to that on CBS and AP both who describe Tossati as "a longtime conservative critic of Francis."  That's the politics which goes far afield of Drum Corps Planet whose rules say no discussion of politics, no discussion of religion.  (By the way, I have met Cdl. Vigano in person when I did follow up work on my dissertation at CUA.)

The man in question who taught Mechanicsburg H.S. band and C2 was not functioning as a priest for over four years and missed all criminal background investigations except the one that the US government didn't reveal.

Edited August 28, 2018 by xandandl

[xandandl]

28 minutes ago, N.E. Brigand said:

False accusations are awful. But it's much more common for victims to keep silent and for perpetrators to go unpunished.

That bromide is disputed in many court cases; it is a presumption of social "scientists" but never documented or proven. Of course, lawyers and psychologists make their monies by having others presume it is true whether it be or not. We don't and can't know absolutely.

Your hypothesis is an actuarial table, presumed statistics not necessarily reality and definitely with frequent exceptions.

Edited August 28, 2018 by xandandl

[mfrontz]

3 hours ago, 2000Cadet said:

Gosh every time I log on here, it's more bad news. 

Good news: Cadets are back to setting a standard.

[MusicManNJ]

52 minutes ago, xandandl said:

The man in question who taught Mechanicsburg H.S. band and C2 was not functioning as a priest for over four years and missed all criminal background investigations except the one that the US government didn't reveal.

Do you think the Church had an obligation to inform authorities of these issues so this person would not be able to make it through clearances and be able to teach students? Not being sarcastic... but it seems odd that we make organizations rightfully go through with the clearance process yet we now find one group of offenders is not visible through this process.

[JimF-LowBari]

Just reminding folks that criminal background check for PA are usually: 1) any record in PA state police files 2) any record in national registry (FBI). It’s not like an additional investigation was done by school or corps.

IOW if the PSP or FBI don’t know about something the check will come back as clean

Edited August 28, 2018 by JimF-LowBari

[Jeff Ream]

5 hours ago, Rileydog said:

Is there a fine line though? Please hear me, protecting kids from sexual predators is paramount. There are not enough means for institutions, whether they be schools or corps, to find out the information. But let me give a recent incident at Texas Tech.....

A high profile football player was arrested last week on an outstanding warrant for theft from 9 months ago. It made the front page of the newspaper, 6 o'clock news, and social media sites. Mere hours later it was reported that the arrest should have never happened. The campus police had actually found the correct thief and the player was innocent. But the police had failed to correct their police report before it was turned over to a grand jury. There is video evidence the player was innocent. Now, even though the news has tried to get the correct information out, the player is still being ostracized by the public as a "star player beating the system" or "getting off due to back door deals." Despite the evidence, he is still guilty to many people for a crime he didn't commit.

My point....where does public knowledge start, institutional privy begin, and where does legal rights begin? I don't know the answer. I realize this isn't apples to apples. But is there information that should only be available to employers (who have proved at times to not use the info correctly) or is the information so important to the public that people be ostracized with no hope of possible correction with facts? Gosh, I don't know. I hear the arguments. I hear the torture of the victims. Its so frustrating that people in trust positions have failed, both as employers and as people committing criminal acts. I mourn that we have lost our ability and first intuition of trusting people. I guess just take this as a vent.

it is a fine line, which is why I said in another thread, that having volunteers troll social media sites looking for rumors is a bad idea. As it is, DCI got several items brought to their attention via their channels that happened before DCI even existed. 

[Jeff Ream]

2 hours ago, Terri Schehr said:

The sad truth is, innocent or guilty, once this story popped, YEA had no choice.  

oh I agree entirely. Not sure if he was still helping any bands, but I am sure thats done too if he was. Hell, I get clearances to judge on the rare chance i'd have any interactions with students.