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2018 DVD/BluRays DCI Champ Finals??

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12 hours ago, deftguy said:

I think it would be disingenuous to think DCI is not making some sort of profit off the sales of Bluray disc. If you are only breaking even, this would be akin to financially marking time on the 50 yard line.  They have to be making a per disc sale profit, or what is ultimately the point of offering it?  I can understand ditching DVD, there is no money to be made on that format - it has been dying steadily over the last 10 years. 

While DCI would have to officially release the numbers for proof, I am venturing a guess that the "profit" is hardly what it used to be for the video releases.  I remember years ago (70's, 80's, 90's) that DCI depended a LOT on the sales of records, videos and cassettes  - it was a big financial help for them.  Not anymore now...in fact, I wouldn't be surprised to hear that DCI lost some money in 2015 and 2016 when they first were called out by Tresona and had to start paying for all of the sync licenses BEFORE they released their video products.

And I agree with the other post about music education getting some kind of financial relief from all of this...I don't want to shortchange the composers who write all this great music, but the amount of money that is being paid out to Tresona and other publishing companies for arranging licenses,  then performance/master licenses, then mechanical and sync licenses for circuits or DCI is really over the top.  

 

 

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1 hour ago, jeffmolnar said:

Semantics really, we’re essentially saying the same thing. The key difference between them and a typical corporation is there are no shareholders (or private owners) who receive additional compensation if sales are good. Everything feeds back into the organization to keep it healthy.

I get that DCI needs to get the licenses, but it seems way too strict for a youth organization. DCI isn’t stealing any business from the music labels by selling a CD of kids playing brass instruments on a football field. Why are the rights holders so difficult about it?

Two reasons I think.  One, educational royalties can be a massive source of income.  Two, DCI flagrantly ignored copyright law for decades, and is getting punished for it now.

Mike

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Jeez. I haven't had a DVD/CD player for years. Kinda surprised folks still order DVD's or Blu Ray.

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20 hours ago, jeffmolnar said:

“Making money” implies profit though. The Blu-ray sales just help keep a youth music organization afloat. No one is getting rich off of it.

Making money does not just imply profit, it is all about profit. I want DCI products to make money. Selling the products is a form of fundraising. Fundraising  is what keeps non profits alive. Nothing  I said should be interpreted to say anyone at DCI is getting rich from BluRay sales.

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10 hours ago, jeffmolnar said:

DCI literally cannot make a profit. That's... what "non-profit" means.

They can build up their cash reserves to be a more stable organization, but they can't turn a profit.

Anytime DCI has income and ends the year not in the red, it has made a profit. It's what DCI does with the income that makes it a non profit. The income needs to be used for the mission. Harvard University with it's huge endowment is a non profit. So too is the small recreation center with a volunteer staff. 

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There is no mechanism in place for a 501c3 to claim an exemption from copyright or sync right fees/royalties/etc, right?

The conversation begins and ends there.  

Are there any powerful lobbies out there that would push for Congress to change that?  Probably not?

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1 hour ago, DFA1970 said:

Jeez. I haven't had a DVD/CD player for years. Kinda surprised folks still order DVD's or Blu Ray.

If you look at the sales of figures of DVD and Bluray separately, DVD is dying so fast we might wanna start singing Amazing Grace. Bluray sales on the other hand have flattening. Sales of UHD disc is growing, but very slowly - and it will probably remain a slow growth. 

All is not rosy for physical media. Two electronics companies have now quit producing disc players of all kinds, while two remaining majors Sony and Panasonic continue to introduce newer and better players yearly. 

I hate to say this as a videophile, but DCI need to  cease disc production and focus on streaming options. There are getting fewer and fewer of us disc collectors who are willing to shell out the amount of cash for their disc products. When their disc media cost more than a UHD or 3D blu ray disc for movies,  folks give it the side eye. 

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5 hours ago, cixelsyd said:

Schools are not exempt, and I cannot think of any basis by which DCI should get preferential treatment compared to other educational youth activities.

Or are you contending that music education in general should be exempt?

Yeah. If high schools are also having to deal with this nonsense, that’s even more ridiculous.

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56 minutes ago, deftguy said:

If you look at the sales of figures of DVD and Bluray separately, DVD is dying so fast we might wanna start singing Amazing Grace. Bluray sales on the other hand have flattening. Sales of UHD disc is growing, but very slowly - and it will probably remain a slow growth. 

All is not rosy for physical media. Two electronics companies have now quit producing disc players of all kinds, while two remaining majors Sony and Panasonic continue to introduce newer and better players yearly. 

I hate to say this as a videophile, but DCI need to  cease disc production and focus on streaming options. There are getting fewer and fewer of us disc collectors who are willing to shell out the amount of cash for their disc products. When their disc media cost more than a UHD or 3D blu ray disc for movies,  folks give it the side eye. 

Guessing the Blu Rays are at least $99 this year.  Just checking one minute ago, downloading the top 12 on MarchingMusicDownloads.com costs $179.40. 

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Mike

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1 hour ago, jeffmolnar said:

Yeah. If high schools are also having to deal with this nonsense, that’s even more ridiculous.

If this nonsense you mean licensing then yes....

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