Jeff Ream Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 3 hours ago, garfield said: There was a documented abuser at YEA. You're not making THAT correlation, are you? Morgan Larson was a member of a DCI affiliate corps and easily found on the national sex offender registry. The information was sent to DCI HQ. Nothing was done 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Ream Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 2 hours ago, garfield said: And somehow, despite "...all of the DCI community..." (your words) knowing what was going on, these men STILL made it into the activity and in front of minors. But, somehow, that's Dan A's fault because you've created this fallacy that he was some "head" of the activity? Don't you see the illogic? Now I'm late, I really have to go. you claim Dans job is to run the tour. the tour lost an event because of an issue with a nationally registered sex offender trying to perform on it's grounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cixelsyd Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 13 hours ago, karuna said: Because it fits your fantasy. The CEO is not the face of DCI? WHAT? lol you're delusional. Acheson's resignation will not destroy DCI. The DCI staff will not all quit when he resigns. Tour will proceed as normal. An interim CEO will be found from inside the activity. The search for a new CEO will find a good replacement. The world will continue to turn THOSE are facts. I was going to say "more fact-checking"... but these are obviously only opinions. Anyway... Quote The CEO is not the face of DCI? WHAT? There is no "face of DCI". DCI is nowhere near famous enough to have a "face". Quote The DCI staff will not all quit when he resigns. No, but they will all have to resign. Because they knew, too. They had to know. Everybody knew. And for sure, they did nothing, because you never saw them do anything... so that makes it a fact. Quote Tour will proceed as normal. No, that must change. No more crossing state lines. Quote An interim CEO will be found from inside the activity. Yes. Every CEO from now on will be interim, because every time a reporter writes another article, we must fire another CEO so as to avoid the appearance of "doing nothing". Quote When Acheson is FORCED to resign because the reporters put together the right sources to prove he was aware of at least one case of sexual abuse and did not report it, the scandal will be MUCH larger than otherwise would be the case. If it was that simple... oh, never mind. Switching to standard reply. Let me know when you have that proof. Until then, it would be appropriate to start your firing/resignation demands with the phrase "If he... ". 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimF-LowBari Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, cixelsyd said: There is no "face of DCI". DCI is nowhere near famous enough to have a "face". No, that must change. No more crossing state lines. The head of any company or group is the face/person to put with the organization. Doesn’t matter how big or famous it is. People who have problems with the freaking tire store I went to want to see owner Dave as he is the face/person associated with it. No idea why you think DCI has to be famous to fit this. what does crossing state lines have to do with anything. Edited December 17, 2018 by JimF-LowBari Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garfield Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 1 hour ago, cixelsyd said: Lots of fact-checking to do today, apparently. Just in these two lines, we have... 2005 no, the DCI membership, via a vote of the corps directors no, they revoked the member corps status of the Troopers no, Troopers later chose to sit out 2006 no, removal of the corps director was not an explicit condition (said corps director resigned the next day, but the corps was not reinstated until passing an evaluation a year later) no, the reason for the DCI action was "internal and external compliance issues, spanning several years" Facts are hard. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garfield Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 1 hour ago, Tim K said: Did DCI and member corps conceal and cover up, or ignore? Morally there is little difference, and for victims it does not change things or what is required for the healing process, but if we’re looking to solve problems and right wrongs, the differences are crucial. I am not letting anyone off the hook by saying this, but I don’t think DCI has been trying to conceal sexual misconduct and I don’t think the directors ordered DA to be quiet on these matters. DCI does not believe that it is their job to police the individual corps. The corps themselves, including some of the corps I love most and believe have many fine attributes, at times look out for themselves and what is best for them. The member corps can appear as one happy family, but recruiting practices, acquiring staff, and other less than noble actions remind us it can be a competitive and cut throat activity and it’s survival of the fittest above survival of the activity. Did they know about GH? Most likely, maybe not all the specifics, and with a personality like GH, sorting facts and rumors would be a challenge. Did they see it as an issue that impacted their corps directly ? No. Do they see that questionable hiring practices of one corps impact everyone? Obviously not. They figure Corps X hired the person, they can pay the price. While some of the corps with longer histories may be concerned that an allegation, known or unknown, may come to light, overall if corps have been careful about hiring for the past ten or fifteen years, it is my guess this is viewed as a problem of other corps problems, not theirs. Ignoring a problem or pretending a problem does not involve you can be just as wrong as concealing a problem, but if we are looking for solutions, identifying the problem is the only way lasting change can be made. What an outstanding post! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRASSO Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 5 hours ago, George Dixon said: "Dan Acheson knew about George Hopkins in 2003" http://www.philly.com/philly/news/politics/george-hopkins-cadets-dan-acheson-drum-corps-sexual-misconduct-20180413.html?amphtml=y Dan Acheson's response to being informed was......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cixelsyd Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 10 hours ago, Jeff Ream said: mandated reporting. he had an obligation. He didn't ignore me, in 2012, Morgan Larson was nothing more than a name that appeared on DCP a few times. he did however ignore tohers on here who did report it, and raised hell with the corps, and got all kinds of threats for doing so. The wagons circled hardcore in Racine, and in fact all but one boatd member then is on their board now. but the Kilties are and were an affiliate member, with a member on the sex registry, performing at DCI shows with minors galore in attendance, on school grounds. And in fact in the incident mentioned in 2012 when police were called, the issue caused DCi to lose a venue from that day forward. So Dan had a reason to act. he chose not to. You are conflating so many things, I do not know where to start. Mandated reporting is for abuse, not for school grounds violations. Kilties senior corps has never been a DCI member corps. They were an affiliate member of DCA at times. A sex offender can be on school grounds with the proper permissions and escorting. Without that, he should have been jailed again (which evidently did not happen). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Ream Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 an email was sent in July 2012 to Dan Acheson, the then president of DCA Gil Silva and all of the DCA directors concerning Larson being with Kilties, around the time of the IL show mentioned multiples in this thread and others. The only director that replied: Geoge Hopkins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Ream Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 Just now, cixelsyd said: You are conflating so many things, I do not know where to start. Mandated reporting is for abuse, not for school grounds violations. Kilties senior corps has never been a DCI member corps. They were an affiliate member of DCA at times. A sex offender can be on school grounds with the proper permissions and escorting. Without that, he should have been jailed again (which evidently did not happen). so no mandated reporting for a sex offender violating their terms. Ok. But..it DID cost DCi a venue, as nothing has run there since. That's Dans wheelhouse. Why wouldnt he want to know why a venue that had been run several times was no longer welcoming DCI back? and Kilties have to be an affiliate member to perform at DCI shows. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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