JimF-LowBari Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 All I’ll say is if the cops escorted his ### off school property he did not have proper permission. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lance Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 (edited) What will be done now to make sure, to the greatest degree possible, that DCI corps are no longer a refuge for dangerous people outlined in the article? Corps won't do it themselves. And the entity known as DCI that Acheson is CEO of has zero authority to regulate hiring practices of member corps. So we're nowhere. The half-baked "code of conduct" was already proven to be very poorly enforced; and even if it were well-regulated and enforced, it still does nothing to keep them from getting their foot in the door in the first place. These are the problems. I want to know the solution. is there a solution? Edited December 17, 2018 by Lance 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garfield Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 17 minutes ago, Jeff Ream said: an email was sent in July 2012 to Dan Acheson, the then president of DCA Gil Silva and all of the DCA directors concerning Larson being with Kilties, around the time of the IL show mentioned multiples in this thread and others. The only director that replied: Geoge Hopkins Oh MY! Really? I'm curious as heck: what did George say? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRASSO Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, Tim K said: . DCI does not believe that it is their job to police the individual corps. However, what we do know is that DCI HQ has indeed " policed the individual Corps" in the past. On several occasions. DCI HQ has unilaterally put membership Corps on Probation ( 2009, Troopers, Cadets 2018 ).... Disqualified Corps from participation at Championships for not following the rules of competition ( Bridgemen, Crossmen, Muchachos.. 70's/ 80's ) One Corps, the Bridgemen, had to go to Court before a Judge and convince the Judge to grant the Corps Injunctive Relief in order to perform at Championships. Thats how pro active and quick DCI HQ was " policing " that individual Corps back then. DCI HQ took punitive measures mid tour with Teal Sound a few years back.... DCI HQ also put the Cadets on Probation back in the spring of this year. DCI HQ mandated what steps the Cadets needed to take to have the DCI HQ Probation lifted. DCI HQ demanded, and presumably received, the Financials of the Cadets, for DCI HQ people to pour over and make determinations regarding their suitability to have their Probationary Status lifted by DCI HQ, DCI HQ even had a hand in making the Cadets alter their Competition scheduled appearances.... DCI HQ also made demands on Pioneer, and sanctioned them, and demanded personnel changes there too.... DCI HQ has also put out Press Release Statements lately that states that " abuse and misconduct "in their membership ranks will ( their words) " not be tolerated ". Given these Press Release statements from DCI HQ, coupled with their unilateral decisive and quick decisions in the past from DCI HQ,... spanning decades.... it certainly appears that DCI HQ does indeed believe it is their job to " police the Individual Corps" when they see fit and without DCI Corps membership votes on any of these decisions either. What must seem confusing to many is that it would appear that DCI HQ seems ambivalent on their authority and powers when asked about it. That said, there can be little doubt that DCI HQ can move swiftly and unilaterally to " police the individual Corps "..... when it wants to. Edited December 17, 2018 by BRASSO 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Dixon Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 4 hours ago, garfield said: Just doing a quick DCP search for "Stuart Rice" brings up countless, and I mean many, many, many comments from VERY prominent and consistent posters HERE that this person, Stuart Rice, was GUILTY of making baseless claims, having no proof to substantiate them, and was actually guilty and spineless because he wouldn't go to authorities but blamed others for nothing ever happening. Hmm... Just so I have this straight, THIS is the same person you're referencing? Isn't this a damnation of the reporter's methods? It appears MANY people here knew him and maybe interacted with him. If it's reasonable to presume the reporter is following DCP, why aren't those poster's CURRENT posts referenced in the article? That the RAMD community largely became DCP and many of those then still are here, and THEY say Stuart was to blame, made vacuous claims with no evidence? I find this article to have little value to your claim that Dan A should be fired based on Stuart Rice's claims being a contributor to his incompetence. Yes. However if you go back to the original posts in 2003 it does seem to back up the timeline. I'm only bringing this up now as prior context. Not assuming it would "stand up in court" - but perhaps, the court of public opinion evidence is mounting I do not think Dan A should be fired based on Stuart Rice's claim. But I do think Dan A should go/resign so the organization can adequately move on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garfield Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 17 minutes ago, Jeff Ream said: so no mandated reporting for a sex offender violating their terms. Ok. But..it DID cost DCi a venue, as nothing has run there since. That's Dans wheelhouse. Why wouldnt he want to know why a venue that had been run several times was no longer welcoming DCI back? and Kilties have to be an affiliate member to perform at DCI shows. They also lost a show in Dublin, OH because they are knuckleheads. Was the activity negatively impacted by either? Dan's job is to organize the tour to maximize profit; there would have to be a profit impact to measure what losing the venue did. I don't know the cross-agreements between DCI/DCA, but I do know that lots of groups perform at DCI shows that are not affiliated in any way with DCI. Anything outside of WC or OC DCI corps is factually "not affiliated" with the DCI amoeba. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Dixon Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 3 hours ago, cixelsyd said: No. In fact, exactly the opposite. The investigative reporting of Tricia Nadolny determined the following, as stated in her article in early April: Interesting. Thanks - I was under the impression that Dan A acknowledged DCI was made aware of the January 2017 YEA BOD internal review. I'm shocked he was either not made aware or was unaware or professes he was unaware. Apparently a great many people were aware (I was personally not aware until late March) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimF-LowBari Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, garfield said: They also lost a show in Dublin, OH because they are knuckleheads. Was the activity negatively impacted by either? Dan's job is to organize the tour to maximize profit; there would have to be a profit impact to measure what losing the venue did. Was it Dans choice not to go back to the venue that was lost because of the Kilties non-action? And what if DA decides it would benefit DCI to go back to that venue. Would love to hear that conversation as if the person at the school is polite they would hang up without swearing. losing show sites that will be not returning is hurting the activy as less options in the future Edited December 17, 2018 by JimF-LowBari Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garfield Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 9 minutes ago, Lance said: What will be done now to make sure, to the greatest degree possible, that DCI corps are no longer a refuge for dangerous people outlined in the article? Corps won't do it themselves. And the entity known as DCI that Acheson is CEO of has zero authority to regulate hiring practices of member corps. So we're nowhere. The half-baked "code of conduct" was already proven to be very poorly enforced; and even if it were well-regulated and enforced, it still does nothing to keep them from getting their foot in the door in the first place. These are the problems. I want to know the solution. is there a solution? I'm not surprised that you wrote it the way you did, but I think you're wrong in that belief and, if you do a casual search through corps websites (and DCI's), you'll see an almost hyper-focused laser being put on the issue by most corps, creating public statements of policy changes and reviews of existing staff and teaching of not only P&P but reinforcing, again, what specifically needs to be done if anything like this comes up anywhere in the organization. I know first hand that the BoD of almost every corps is activity establishing, updating, and publicly-displaying their member-protection practices. I think the activity is in a far better place now on this subject than it's been, probably, ever. Go look at the corps' websites; they're activity trying to attract kids and make parents and kids confident. You'll see that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Ream Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 21 minutes ago, Jeff Ream said: an email was sent in July 2012 to Dan Acheson, the then president of DCA Gil Silva and all of the DCA directors concerning Larson being with Kilties, around the time of the IL show mentioned multiples in this thread and others. The only director that replied: Geoge Hopkins Also, the article is incorrect. Larson marched in 2013. he was never asked to leave. His then significant other was then VP of the board. they split, she quit and he went to JOBE. oh and Hop's reply was "thanks for the information" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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