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Field judges restricted to front sideline in 2019

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10 hours ago, Stu said:

This is my point exactly!!! The challanges, and fun, of pushing the hand performance of the battery members to excell via adjudication will be diminished, if not eliminated. Thus why spend the time and effort in attempting to achieve excelence in hybrid/fusion technique when excellence in accent=taps along with enhanced visual body movement will suffice?

Maybe, Maybe not...boa also doubles up on the music ge compares to DCI.  You max out effect over content in BOA since music ge alone is 40% of your overall score.  DCI has not gone “full ######” yet in terms of GE.

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1 hour ago, N.E. Brigand said:

Why? In other adjudicated activities, it's not necessarily the case that the judgment made from the audience's location is supreme.

Some scholastic circuits have kept the on field music people at the behest of the directors because they feel the reinforcement and educational value has been worth it. DCI is in a very gray area with that kind of reasoning IMHO.

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1 hour ago, Sideways said:

Maybe, Maybe not...boa also doubles up on the music ge compares to DCI.  You max out effect over content in BOA since music ge alone is 40% of your overall score.  DCI has not gone “full ######” yet in terms of GE.

But... the farther away a judge is from the battery performers the more it has to be about musical general effect and less about quality exicuition of the actual players. From the box a perc judge can honestly only judge holistic GE; from the sidelines that judge can assess front ensemble technique and some semblance of front to battery balance, but they cannot adjudicate battery technique nor can they honestly adjudicate any holistic GE. That is why the field judge is to adjudicate technique up close and personal and the box judge is to evaluate GE. While I understand the safety aspects, a requirement to stay on the sidelines or track is not a good compromise at all for a field judge.

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I think eventually there will be 5 or so  judges in the box, giving “overall” scores out of 100. Best average wins.

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1 minute ago, FTNK said:

I think eventually there will be 5 or so  judges in the box, giving “overall” scores out of 100. Best average wins.

And thus BOA accent-tap battery writing will rule the day.

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1 hour ago, Stu said:

But... the farther away a judge is from the battery performers the more it has to be about musical general effect and less about quality exicuition of the actual players. From the box a perc judge can honestly only judge holistic GE; from the sidelines that judge can assess front ensemble technique and some semblance of front to battery balance, but they cannot adjudicate battery technique nor can they honestly adjudicate any holistic GE. That is why the field judge is to adjudicate technique up close and personal and the box judge is to evaluate GE. While I understand the safety aspects, a requirement to stay on the sidelines or track is not a good compromise at all for a field judge.

A judge on the track should not be evaluating balance

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7 hours ago, Stu said:

Again, you are advocating it is fine to play technique inaccurately provided the adjudicator cannot pick it up due to being a long distance away. But I am advocating that in most cases it is the subtle differences in hand performance of note complexity that seperates battery lines at the top WC DCI level. And as for 'holistic rhythmic clarity', that is exactly what is being adjudicated in BOA from a great distance. It matters not if the judge is a percussionist or a brass specialist; holistic rhythmic clarity is holistic rhythmic clarity. Thus the battery writing there now consists of mostly accent-tap rhythms. Take away the motivation of the line performing challenging and complex notes in their hands for a perc judge accuratly and the result ends up being, at best,  some interesting holistic polyrhythm/hemiola permutation writing with more and more complex tai-chi visual motion added in.

They are also high school kids in a competition with no dedicated percussion judge. Apples and oranges. Having taught groups who have been adjudicated at BOA regionals, the field judges there pick up and point out a great deal of stuff and provide great commentary to the group on a musical level appropriate to their skill level.

 

WGI doesn’t have judges on the floor and their writing doesn’t suffer. I don’t see a group like Chino Hills, Avon, or Ayala suffering because someone isn’t on the floor picking ticks from 10 feet away. It almost sounds like you would advocate a return to the tick system.

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6 hours ago, Stu said:

So in your case... If you ’re letting the 'battery' distract you, you aren’t watching right. 😏

Nope. I choose to watch it that way. I don't watch the total package and allow a judge to distract me.

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1 hour ago, Stu said:

But... the farther away a judge is from the battery performers the more it has to be about musical general effect and less about quality exicuition of the actual players. From the box a perc judge can honestly only judge holistic GE; from the sidelines that judge can assess front ensemble technique and some semblance of front to battery balance, but they cannot adjudicate battery technique nor can they honestly adjudicate any holistic GE. That is why the field judge is to adjudicate technique up close and personal and the box judge is to evaluate GE. While I understand the safety aspects, a requirement to stay on the sidelines or track is not a good compromise at all for a field judge.

anyone trying to call out balance from field level is wrong. that's an upstairs thing

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8 minutes ago, gbass598 said:

They are also high school kids in a competition with no dedicated percussion judge. Apples and oranges. Having taught groups who have been adjudicated at BOA regionals, the field judges there pick up and point out a great deal of stuff and provide great commentary to the group on a musical level appropriate to their skill level.

 

WGI doesn’t have judges on the floor and their writing doesn’t suffer. I don’t see a group like Chino Hills, Avon, or Ayala suffering because someone isn’t on the floor picking ticks from 10 feet away. It almost sounds like you would advocate a return to the tick system.

indoor percussion is a far more controlled environment, without 70 brass also putting out sound

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