Spatzzz Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 1 minute ago, Jeff Ream said: It was in meetings. Some lunkhead in DCp got a copy of the PowerPoint and made it public What a D hole.....😂 Saying they bring no value if in fact that could be backed up with financials to prove it. Not saying that is the case but it could be or could have been. Still the situation isn't the same as a social media post that is disparaging. It stinks for sure but there was no intent to publicly disparage the OC outside that meeting. But we are getting off-topic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Lancer Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 1 hour ago, Cadevilina Crown said: Here's a change.org petition to reinstate Arsenal's Open Class evaluation and to remove Dan Acheson as DCI CEO & ED: https://www.change.org/p/drum-corps-international-reinstate-arsenal-dbc-s-open-class-evaluation-and-replace-dan-acheson?recruiter=72952257&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=copylink&utm_campaign=share_petition Signed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShamrockTuba Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 Even if the policy was violated, this is not an appropriate punishment. This punishes anyone affiliated with the corps for the actions of one person. Â This is the equivalent of a cop on the highway pulling over someone for going 5mph over the speed limit while roughly half of the drivers on the road are drunk and swerving around. Is speeding against the law? Yes. Is it reasonable for the driver to get pulled over for speeding? Maybe a bit extreme for violating a law that people violate frequently but not too unreasonable. But what is unreasonable is that by pulling over the speeder, the cop ignored a bunch of people who were committing much worse crimes that could kill someone. Â If DCI realized that their loose enforcement of rules lead to trouble and decided that from now on they'd be super strict in enforcing rules, that would be fine. That's not the case though. They decided that they want to enforce certain minor rules strictly, while barely enforcing major rules that ensure the safety of performers and the long-term success of DCI. Â And on the topic of the media policy, our (Pioneer) corp director's son insulted the hornline of a top 12 corps on a facebook livestream in 2017. No one said a thing and the corps was not punished. This is far from the first time the policy was violated. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terri Schehr Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 http://www.philly.com/news/drum-corps-international-arsenal-sexual-harassment-george-hopkins-spenser-lotz-20190116.html 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spatzzz Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 3 minutes ago, BRASSO said:  DCI HQ. had a Corps Director disparage an entire geographical region of the country on social media in 2017. DCI took no action on those social media remarks of his. Is 2017 recent enough for you ? 2017 isn't 2018. You have to see that right? DCI is in a different situation and under a different level of scrutiny now. The pendulum for these types of infractions has swung to the extreme. Was it excessive for Arsenal? Sure. If the above situation happens this summer, a Corps director disparaging an entire region, I can guarantee that DCI will take action. Luckily the only corps director(s) that are dumb enough and unprofessional enough to do this are not corps directors anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cixelsyd Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 18 minutes ago, Spatzzz said: I see the tween social media warriors are out in force now with a petition to remove DA from DCI. We can discuss that option and there are certainly pro's and con's but on the petition if I may..... I am continuously amused by those that think being a social media warrior in anyway will create change. They get on FB, Reddit, Twitter ect and complain and moan about a situation. Heck they may even click through to a petition and SIGN it. They then strut around after they have patted themselves on the back and proclaim that they did their part. BS. 99% of them are not willing or able to actually DO something or willing to invest the actual time and EFFORT that it would take to REALLY be a part of meaningful change. Are those the same "tweens" who make up the entire membership pool of DCI corps... the same ones who voted with their feet, causing Oregon Crusaders to sit out 2019 for lack of members? 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skevinp Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, Spatzzz said: 2017 isn't 2018. You have to see that right? DCI is in a different situation and under a different level of scrutiny now. The pendulum for these types of infractions has swung to the extreme. Was it excessive for Arsenal? Sure. If the above situation happens this summer, a Corps director disparaging an entire region, I can guarantee that DCI will take action. Luckily the only corps director(s) that are dumb enough and unprofessional enough to do this are not corps directors anymore. They aren't under scrutiny for comments being made, but for the very kinds of problems this comment merely acknowledged. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spatzzz Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, cixelsyd said: Are those the same "tweens" who make up the entire membership pool of DCI corps... the same ones who voted with their feet, causing Oregon Crusaders to sit out 2019 for lack of members? You do understand the difference between actually doing something "not going to OC" and signing and online petition and patting yourself on the back are right? One is tangible the other is not. Â ETA: Maybe these tweens can organize their own new corps. The We Woke Cadets Edited January 16, 2019 by Spatzzz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cadevilina Crown Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 4 minutes ago, Terri Schehr said: http://www.philly.com/news/drum-corps-international-arsenal-sexual-harassment-george-hopkins-spenser-lotz-20190116.html Would you (or anyone) mind posting the full article here? I got the article limit message and I'm cheap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShamrockTuba Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 4 minutes ago, Spatzzz said: 2017 isn't 2018. You have to see that right? DCI is in a different situation and under a different level of scrutiny now. The pendulum for these types of infractions has swung to the extreme. Was it excessive for Arsenal? Sure. If the above situation happens this summer, a Corps director disparaging an entire region, I can guarantee that DCI will take action. Luckily the only corps director(s) that are dumb enough and unprofessional enough to do this are not corps directors anymore. A corps director in 2018 told his corps not to snitch, referring to DCI's whistleblower page. They were allowed to continue the season. Why was his corps allowed to continue competing and continue being "world class"? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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