WGI & FloMarching

[Fran Haring]

Didn't get to see any indoor guard stuff this season... but I'm glad to hear about AMP's two guards doing so well in Dayton.

The folks who run the AMP organization are great people.  As they built the guards into the top-notch ensembles they are today, they also took numerous kids off the streets of one of the toughest urban areas in the Northeast, if not the entire country, and gave those kids a chance.  So hats off to them!

[Fran Haring]

2 hours ago, BRASSO said:

 Well, without naming Corps names here,  but some of us here recall not that long ago when a Finalist's Corps Mic system was so screwed up on Finals Night, it made the singer soloists delivery of their solo come thru to judges and audience alike as if it was delivered through a snorkeling tube underwater in the Caribbean or some such. But were the judges forgiving of that completely botched solo on Finals Night ?  Some would conclude, Yes... they were forgiving of it, imo. The Bluecoats sound system created the timing issue yesterday that resulted in their penalty. No negative repercussions seemingly took place when a similar sound system snafu completely botched a soloist's solo in performance later in the season at Championships a couple of years back however.

On the flip side of that... the Crossmen nearly missed finals twice in recent years, with penalties for separate transgressions at semifinals  (one year a performance-time penalty that I believe was caused by an electronics problem, and another year a penalty for not using the approved warmup area).

So while I agree with you about the corps with the vocalist issue ... try telling the Crossmen folks that DCI is forgiving during championship weekend.  LOL.

[Jurassic Lancer]

1 hour ago, Fran Haring said:

On the flip side of that... the Crossmen nearly missed finals twice in recent years, with penalties for separate transgressions at semifinals  (one year a performance-time penalty that I believe was caused by an electronics problem, and another year a penalty for not using the approved warmup area).

So while I agree with you about the corps with the vocalist issue ... try telling the Crossmen folks that DCI is forgiving during championship weekend.  LOL.

Sometimes I think it isn’t what the trasnsgration is ... it is which corps transgressed. 

[BRASSO]

1 hour ago, Jurassic Lancer said:

Sometimes I think it isn’t what the trasnsgration is ... it is which corps transgressed. 

 There is some history that would point to the inconsistency of the application of penalties anyway.

 DCI HQ was confronted with 2 similar cases of reporting to them of  Corps using overage marchers. In one case, when they were informed after semi Finals at Championships, they quickly DQ that Corps from Finals Night participation ( 1975 ). In the 2nd case, ( in 1989 ) they allowed that Corps to go out and compete at Finals ( minus the 2 overage nmarchers). DCI justified their actions with the statement that in the 1st case, a rival Corps brought the info to them, while in the 2nd case, the Corps using overage marchers self reported the DCI prohibition against using overage marchers. In both cases, there was clearly the establishment of the prohibited use of over age marchers. The only fundamental difference was the reporting of such to DCI. DCI could have elected to DQ the overage marcher, ( in '75 ) and allowed the Corps to similarly compete on finals Night, But instead, DCI decided to penalize the entire Corps and their marchers, and summarily dismissed their opportunity to compete ( nor even allowed to perform in exhibition ) on Finals Night for that Corps  in '75.

 DCI HQ, with the reported knowledge that a Corps utilized 2 overage marchers all that season of "89 ( except on Finals Night ) took no action later to disqualify those competition results of that Corps that season prior to Finals Night, nor was there any effort by DCI HQ to make the Corps return any show monies for placements/ wins that season in which they marched overage marchers in competition, and collected those placement and win monies essentially illegally.. That Corps competed on Finals Night ( minus their overage marchers ), and won themselves a DCI Title that season of '89. There is a phrase in the legal field that says that " ignorance before the law is no excuse ". The claim that the Corps in '89 did not know it had competed illegally with overage marchers that season is perhaps accurate , But if this was most sports ( including the NCAA ) if a school... even unknowingly... utilized illegal players in competition, they would forfeit all their games played that season, pay  steep financial and sanctions penalties, and if found at NCAA Tournament time, they'd absolutely be DQ'd from further tournament play, even if the school self reported the illegal participation of some of its players to the League once they found out about it themselves.  But Yes, the 2nd corps with not one, but two, overage marchers in '89 had influential people ( a DCI Founder Member ) that DCI  quickly acquiesced too and gave a different outcome than the entire Corps they DQ in 75 for the exact same violation, ie, the utilization throughout the DCI season of long established league rules prohibiting the utilization of overage marchers in competition.

Edited April 8, 2019 by BRASSO

[CHRISP]

On 4/6/2019 at 7:59 PM, George Dixon said:

Avon was amazing - great design meets great performers 

Male featured performer was incredible

I understand he will be marching in SCV this summer.

[fifer]

15 hours ago, BRASSO said:

 Well, without naming Corps names here,  but some of us here recall not that long ago when a Finalist's Corps Mic system was so screwed up on Finals Night, it made the singer soloists delivery of their solo come thru to judges and audience alike as if it was delivered through a snorkeling tube underwater in the Caribbean or some such. But were the judges forgiving of that completely botched solo on Finals Night ?  Some would conclude, Yes... they were forgiving of it, imo. The Bluecoats sound system created the timing issue yesterday that resulted in their penalty. No negative repercussions seemingly took place when a similar sound system snafu completely botched a soloist's solo in performance later in the season at Championships a couple of years back however.

That's apples and oranges.  A timing penalty is for taking too long to set up, which impacts all the following groups. It doesn't matter if the delay is for a broken drum harness or the plugs on a soundboard, it delays the game.

Having a sound system issue during a performance is no different than if a bass drum head breaks.  The impact on the audience is affected and there will be the potential of impact on the GE or other parts of the score.  But an outright penalty should not be assessed for equipment malfunctions during the performance. 

[BRASSO]

1 hour ago, CHRISP said:

I understand he will be marching in SCV this summer.

 He was positively amazing. SCV will have a very good one for themselves this summer, if true.

Edited April 8, 2019 by BRASSO

[BRASSO]

49 minutes ago, fifer said:

That's apples and oranges.  A timing penalty is for taking too long to set up, which impacts all the following groups. It doesn't matter if the delay is for a broken drum harness or the plugs on a soundboard, it delays the game.

Having a sound system issue during a performance is no different than if a bass drum head breaks.  The impact on the audience is affected and there will be the potential of impact on the GE or other parts of the score.  But an outright penalty should not be assessed for equipment malfunctions during the performance. 

 Well, if we want to compare similarities, a brass solo that is  completely botched as designed to be played in competition performance, apparently suffers FAR more loss of potential build up points on today's judging sheets than a singing solo that is completely botched as designed to be sung. Singing solos tend to be much longer in duration than brass solos in performance too. The singing solo was not the performer's fault. DCI judges apparently decided to award build up points on " how it was supposed to be performed ", not on " how it was performed, delivered, and received ". Thats a rather novel and new judging criteria, we must admit. When has a brass solo, unmic'd, that was completely botched in deliverance to the ears of audience and judges alike, received build up points on " how it was supposed to be performed " rather than " how it was performed and delivered. "

 As for the delay penalty the Bluecoats Guard received this weekend at WGI Championships, DCI Corps have had delays in starting ... even at Championships... and not penalized.  Just sayin.'

Edited April 8, 2019 by BRASSO

[Terri Schehr]

38 minutes ago, BRASSO said:

 

 As for the delay penalty the Bluecoats Guard received this weekend at WGI Championships, DCI Corps have had delays in starting ... even at Championships... and not penalized.  Just sayin.'

You wouldn’t believe all the running around with hair on fire I’ve seen from the first row since electronics started to be utilized.  It’s half the fun of the sitting there.  

[Terri Schehr]

14 minutes ago, Terri Schehr said:

You wouldn’t believe all the running around with hair on fire I’ve seen from the first row since electronics started to be utilized.  It’s half the fun of the sitting there.