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7 hours ago, BRASSO said:

 This is pure nonsense. But if any fans are to accept this nonsense that judges are judging fashion choices, headgear choices in shows ( they're most decidely not ... but assuming they WERE ), then it logically compels us to ask if it was SCV's choice in costuming attire last summer that helped secure them their first DCI title in 19 years , and conversely, if BD lost the few tenths they could have utilized because their costuming choices for 2018 were not judged as well by the judges as was the fashion choices made by SCV last season.

 But... this is just plain silly.... of course. SCV won their title last season and the fact they had no headgear, and wore the simple attire  that they did,  had nothing at all to do with the scores and placement the judges awarded them. Furthermore, when Corps opted to go to " theme specific " attire, its reasonable to assume as well we all would have received information that the new judging criteria that went into effect would now be judging attire and headgear choices by the judging community. But to my knowledge, no such info was provided ... anywhere... to anyone.... even from DCI pr Flo Marching.... that judges would  now be judging the fashion choices of the Corps in these judged shows. But there has been no such info disseminated. For a simple reason, imo. Judges, despite the silliness promulgated in some quarters, are NOT judging the fashion choices Corps are making, and as a result, scores and placements are not predicated on what marchers are wearing in attire and headgear. And frankly, God help us, if scores/ placements in the future DO become like a Peacock/ Fashion Runway competition endeavor, than a Drum Corps competition endeavor.

I am not sure you are being serious. Are you trolling? Correct me if I am misreading your post, BUT,  if one follows the logic of your opinion, uniforms/costumes do not matter. Phantom could wear neon green tuxes this summer while doing a show about Joan of Arc.  Last year's SCV could have worn bunny rabbit costumes, long pink ears and white puffy tail included. SOS could have shown us 150 nuns ship wrecked on a island, and Troopers could simply have done their show in ripped jeans and second hand store old beer brand T-shirts. You can argue that back in the day the corps wore uniforms that linked them only to their corps and not to any music choice or show theme. Yes, this is true. But dressing special characters in productions was soon followed by show-themed costumes for the guard,  and now uniforms/costumes for the brass and percussion- all carefully crafted to bring the effect of the show to a higher level than uniforms that are not linked to the music, style, vibe, theme at all.  I assume every competent GE judge, certainly early in the season or upon first viewing, comments and considers the scoring value of the uniforms/costumes, head gear, lack of head gear, flag designs, prop designs, every color they see, etc.  

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On 6/6/2019 at 8:32 PM, Ghost said:

Those might work for a Scarlet Pimpernel production.

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Ohhhhhh wait! You said the Scarlet Pimpernel...not the Scarlet Pumpernickle. My bad.

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9 hours ago, Jeff Ream said:

on each effect sheet, there's a thing taken into account called audio/visual coordination.

 

So if you're doing a show about hell, and you've got bright green and pink everywhere...is that coordinated?

 Judges are not instructed to judge headgear, nor fashion choices by  Corps. The judges just naturally assume and expect however that if your show theme is about  " Hell", you 're not going to go out in clown attire, clown shoes, red nose,  red hair,  white make up, bright green/  pink colors  everywhere in colors, etc for your " costuming " with such a chosen theme.

 There is no caption for " costuming ". There is no judge for " costuming ". Costuming is not mentioned in the current GE Captions, it would have insignificant, perhaps non existent evaluative point assessment, except as it could relate to a VISUAL move on the show. For example, if Phantom Regiment takes off their shako and puts it on the field in a portion of their performance, and the judge likes that VISUAL effect of the VISUAL maneuver, he / she would naturally assess that visual move, just like any other visual move the Corps made in the show. But the CHOICE of the attire/ headgear ( which is the subject of this thread ) is irrelevant to that visual move, as the visual move could have been accomplished and " coordinated " with  just about any headgear choice made by the Corps, and the attire worn by the Corps proper was irrelevant to that visual move as well.

 Color Guard at one time in DCI did not have its own caption... its own judge format... its own judge. That section of the Corps does today. Each section of the Corps does. We have the Brass ( Ott Award ), Percussion ( Sanford Award ), Guard  ( Zingali Award ).  Drum Corps competitions  currently have no " Costume " caption... no " Costume " criteria.... no " Costume " judge. If this is where you believe Drum Corps is headed, then I can not state you are wrong, as this is speculation. As such who knows, as we move into " theatre ", for the genre, it is possible that in the future fashion will be considered relevent to judge, and there will  be a separate caption for " costuming ", with its own fashion judge, and an award given for winning this Drum Corps competition caption (  my guess, the Cesario Award ). But in the meantime, where Corps finish in placements in DCI is currently not predicated on the attire and headgear choices they make for themselves, imo.  SCV's DCI Title won last season for their first time in 19 years had virtually nothing at all to do with the attire and headgear choice they made in preseason, imo. Now, if a couple of folks here on DCP think otherwise, then thats their opinion, and of course, they are entitled to such.

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30 minutes ago, mjoakes said:

Looks to me a bit like last years' Cavies. But I like to reserve judgment on any of these things until seeing the shows on the field. And it's anyway really subjective.

several days ago I posted about Colts that they looked like the Orange Cavaliers, as opposed to one Reddit poster who referred to Academy's newest as the love child when Cadets 18 betrothed Phantom '13: the result is Oreo Cheesecake.

Ah the wits and witless are  marking time until the 20th in Detroit.

 

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1 hour ago, Weaklefthand4ever said:

I actually like those. Though I'm tempted to call the show "Meanwhile...back in Germany" based on the "leather" and spikes.

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There is really nothing more fabulous than fashion, and the fashion/costume marching industry would be literally nothing without the involvement of the marching and performance arts design community. All of the amazing collections of costumes the designers create for the cast to wear, and all of the frantic waves people are making about the designs is outrageous. 

Colors, style, fabric and functionality choices in relationship to theme, dance elements, characterization, staging and movement are evaluated. It’s the same with props, silks and percussion wrap design. 

Please stop with this isn’t in the rules silliness. It doesn’t have to be it’s all part of the show production being adjudicated. 

Now let me finish my breakfast. 

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4 hours ago, Terri Schehr said:

Fruhauf likes leathah.  

I do too!

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1 hour ago, Weaklefthand4ever said:

I actually like those. Though I'm tempted to call the show "Meanwhile...back in Germany" based on the "leather" and spikes.

"Game of Drums,"

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I think corps are afraid to show their costume designs because we rip on them so bad before we even see them on the field.  I know I've been guilty of ripping a few uniforms. I know I ripped Cadets uniform last year before I saw it on the field. I was wrong. What looked so odd at first glance worked perfect on the field. 

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