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4 minutes ago, Stu said:

The teams are all youth competitive entities not academic courses.

Scholastic sports are governed by state scholastic athletic associations. Little League and other non-scholastic organizations, sports or not, are totally outside the scholastic realm. 

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Kids aren’t getting paid. Therefore they march where they want. End of thread. 

P.S., this talk of restrictions on where a kid can march has nothing to do with Scouts problem anyway. So, double end of thread. 

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3 hours ago, Stu said:

 

C) At the end of the season any youth who performed with an OC corps transfers to perform with another OC corps the very next season, or any youth who performed with a WC corps transfers to perform with another WC corps the very next season, the receiving corps of that transfer should pay the former corps some sort of fee transfer compensation. (Or the performer can set out a season and transfer without fee compensation). Restricted Free Agency.

This would make sure that organizations are detered from pilfering talent from other 'directly competitive organizations' within their division, and also make sure their own success is more self-built than from acquired talent developed from the labors of other organizations.

They are not 'transferring' from corps A to B. They have satisfied their obligations to corps A at the end of the year. It is now a clean slate. They are deciding where they want to audition for the upcoming season. Might be corps A; might be corps B and/or C. Corps A does not owe the member a spot; they are opening their own auditions to whoever wants to participate. Your description of the process is just not accurate, IMO.

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3 hours ago, Stu said:

Neither DCI, nor any of the corps, are academic institutions with non profit edicational exemptions. They are listed as youth competitive activities. So it is not like Sally transfering from State University to MIT because of the academic math instruction. While she may transfer from one WC corps to another WC corps based on who is on staff, it is still a competitive transfer not academic.

But it is not a 'transfer'. The member and the corps obligations to each other have ended when the season ends.

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11 minutes ago, MikeD said:

Not sure how any of that equates with a corps not providing a member with a sufficiently positive experience so that they WANT to stay with their current corps.

No, "suffering" is not a vital part of marching drum corps, especially when that suffering is to NOT march drum corps. Seems ridiculous to me. It is the members who decide where they want to march. They pay for the experience and deserve to right to audition where they wish. You are also saying kids in their next-to-last age-eligible season will not be able to march their age-out year.  

Suffering is a valuble life lesson to learn. Shielding youth and avoiding them from learning those lessons, even in drum corps, especially in drum corps, does a grave disservice to the youth.

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1 hour ago, Stu said:

While that may have been true in the eighties, nineties, and the early 2000's, they way shows are structured and staged today requires rather mature talent. Yes great staff, but great staff with very mature talented performers is now required. And the few eliet saw this comming about 15 years ago.

The recruitment culture changed a little after Y2K.. When the few elite began a big internet push of lot videos along with a real promotion for the youth to come see the real show warm up in the lot and follow them into seeing the real show in the stadium. Which, by the way, is the antithesis of the DCI mission statement.

The majority of the DCI member corps shot down a formal push, but that recruitment strategy still exists informally on the net. We now have a cohort of talented youth who were brought up on that philosophy. Go to the elite, at any cost, because they are the real show.

Then how did the Mandarins and Academy rise as they are doing, not to mention it was not all that long ago that Bloo was never in the mix for a top spot. 

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12 minutes ago, MikeD said:

Scholastic sports are governed by state scholastic athletic associations. Little League and other non-scholastic organizations, sports or not, are totally outside the scholastic realm. 

True. And most scholastic organizations govern and prevent transfer for personal or team athletic gain. Football is not an academic class but a youth competitive environment.

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1 minute ago, Stu said:

Suffering is a valuble life lesson to learn. Shielding youth and avoiding them from learning those lessons, even in drum corps, especially in drum corps, does a grave disservice to the youth.

Unnecessarily inflicting suffering on youth is not the kind of suffering I want youth experiencing.  I want youth to chose their own path.  Mandating that they cannot march where they want seems to be exactly that.

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1 minute ago, Stu said:

Suffering is a valuble life lesson to learn. Shielding youth and avoiding them from learning those lessons, even in drum corps, especially in drum corps, does a grave disservice to the youth.

Not allowing potential members to participate is not a 'suffering lesson'. The members go through 'suffering lessons' throughout their participation during a season. 

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