Judges wandering on field

[wvu80]

On 6/30/2019 at 11:57 PM, Jeff Ream said:

and...what exactly is two yards off the sideline? it's not marked in any meaningful way

It's six feet.

If a judge can't figure out how far six feet is he shouldn't be on the field at all. 

[karuna]

3 hours ago, Cappybara said:

 

 

 

Oh the irony

Cappy  you don’t need to defend Jeff. He’s heard far worse right to his face. He’s knows the drummer pokes are just pokes and not serious.  

[Precious Roy]

How about this compromise:

Drummers want their work to be judged fairly, fully, and up close. Visual designers don't want the drum judge mucking up the drill. Everybody wants everybody involved to be safe. So, let's have the percussion section be judged in a standstill before the field performance, so that the up close percussion judges can assign their scores without getting in the way of drill. Perhaps even allow (the same or different) percussion judges to adjust their score based on the ensuing field performance (because, GE and stuff).

How about this loophole to the current rules (and stated/implied rules associated with them):

A stellar percussion battery section has a particularly juicy feature coming up, and wants to make sure the percussion judge sees it fully and properly. But it would be most effectively performed in a form that is backfield a bit. Whoops, one of the snares "accidentally" looses a stick, right in front of the judge in the 2-yard zone, right before quickly marching backfield to prepare for the feature. In the interest of safety, the judge picks up the loose stick, and starts towards the snare to return it. He arrives just in time to see a killer percussion feature performed flawlessly -- up close. And scores it accordingly. The snare may or may not eventually accept her stick back, and the judge may or may not follow the snares around to attempt to return it.

 

[Ghost]

Then do the same thing with the brass line.

[Precious Roy]

They could even inspect their "uniforms" while they were at it.

[garfield]

And, what the heck, designers can just bring the drum line down front to do their feature and then send them backfield, or blended in with other sets to complete the visual.  Then the percussion arranger can write flam-taps and buzz rolls, with a little hi-hat action tapped out on the rim like it was an actual cymbal, to keep the battery busy and "part of the drill" until they can be brought down to the judge again!

Naw, that won't restrict the design teams at all!  Oh, and think of how exciting the battery rehearsals will be!

/just a little bit of sarcasm

 

[garfield]

2 hours ago, Precious Roy said:

How about this compromise:

Drummers want their work to be judged fairly, fully, and up close. Visual designers don't want the drum judge mucking up the drill. Everybody wants everybody involved to be safe. So, let's have the percussion section be judged in a standstill before the field performance, so that the up close percussion judges can assign their scores without getting in the way of drill. Perhaps even allow (the same or different) percussion judges to adjust their score based on the ensuing field performance (because, GE and stuff).

How about this loophole to the current rules (and stated/implied rules associated with them):

A stellar percussion battery section has a particularly juicy feature coming up, and wants to make sure the percussion judge sees it fully and properly. But it would be most effectively performed in a form that is backfield a bit. Whoops, one of the snares "accidentally" looses a stick, right in front of the judge in the 2-yard zone, right before quickly marching backfield to prepare for the feature. In the interest of safety, the judge picks up the loose stick, and starts towards the snare to return it. He arrives just in time to see a killer percussion feature performed flawlessly -- up close. And scores it accordingly. The snare may or may not eventually accept her stick back, and the judge may or may not follow the snares around to attempt to return it.

 

Playing a tough book standing still is not the same as playing it while moving.

You know, simultaneous demand and all.

 

[skevinp]

I wandered lonely as a judge...

[1956OPR]

Does anyone have an insight into if and/or what corps MMs were advised to do in the past if a judge got in their way on the field?

And does the current rule result in all sub-captions being judged from the sidelines/stands?

It seems like the activity has become a slave to design.

Why not allow e.g., percussion judges on the field to do their job up close and personal and adjust the visual caption to penalize designers who create design structures which 1)  create unsafe field conditions for our MMs and 2) effectively restrict field judges from applying their expertise.

[LabMaster]

Oh.  My.  Gosh.   I have read some of the kookiest suggestions for this problem.   Wow.  Drumlines judged before their field performance, standing still???  Penalizing drill designers for creating unsafe field conditions or restricting judges expertise???   Like 2 minutes in the penalty box??

How about we let this new process work itself out?  As it is, it’s relative and fair to all.  Like anything new, it needs time and feedback.  We seem to be getting hyper concerned with safety.  Between props (another hot safety concern) and judges being mixed into a drill,  we get caught up with the few instances where there is a problem and extrapolate it to a much more frequent occurrence;  more than it likely is. 

We generalize things so that there seems to be an epidemic, then suggest overkill remedies.  We are to lower prop heights, follow OSHA guidelines for safety compliance, (which is a very reasonable solution - with modifications for the activity) all judging off the field and in a very specific area (oh no the judge went 3’ into the field.  What an idiot not knowing what 2’ is.  Yikes.).  Relax and be thoughtful in a feasible manner about a solve.

Could the chief judge at a show keep an eye on the percussion judges and let them know when they may be straying and creating a situation?  Or is isn’t there a chief judge anymore?  If not, is there anyone who could do this?  There are reasonable solutions.  We need to think them through before we react with illogical ideas.