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21 hours ago, xandandl said:

If mms have $ to do cigarettes or other drugs/pills/weed/drink on tour, ST, or during winter camp season, admins should no longer have any reservations which have caused many  pulling one's hair out for ways to prevent upping tour fees.

Such mms, suffering from these addictive personality behaviors, are as duplicitous as the kid I made the mistake of sponsoring last summer who begged monies on tour for expenses, only for me to learn during the same tour he was saving for his Christmas vacation with a trip to Germany; he boasted it to his section mates who let me know what was really going on. Then he hid behind his corps director when the duped sponsors..the sacrificing senior citizens on limited incomes wanted their monies back or to go to a more honest mm. Never again. 

I still think smokers shouldn't be accepted to corps. It is a sign of poor judgment/decision-making, poor physical fitness, and poor lung capacity. If someone doesn't care about their body that's fine but why bring the corps down with you? 

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The semifinalist corps I was with in ‘04 and ‘05, tons of people smoked, including the staff and director. Very little when I went to cadets

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14 hours ago, jonnyboy said:

 

Marching in a corps is a privilege.  The cost of marching is a fraction of what the actual per member expense is.

I wouldn't call anything you pay for a "privilege."

Playing in the NFL is a privilege. Being in the Olympics is a privilege. Being in a drum corps is about as much of a privilege as getting accepted into a no-scholarship University. 

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8 minutes ago, HolyNOLA said:

I wouldn't call anything you pay for a "privilege."

Playing in the NFL is a privilege. Being in the Olympics is a privilege. Being in a drum corps is about as much of a privilege as getting accepted into a no-scholarship University. 

Well, I disagree 100%.  Being accepted in a drumcorps is a privilege.    You aren't paying for drumcorps.  You are paying for your food, room and board, transportation, and to a lesser extent instruction, instruments etc.    Make no mistake, the most expensive tour fees in DCI cover PART of the corps experience.  The other part is paid for by: volunteers, staff working for peanuts, professional drivers accepting a lower rates, alumni donating money, supporters running shows and fund raisers working hard to make up the rest of the budget.

If you think paying for a $6000 service with a $3000 check entitles you to think your membership is solely based on money you are mistaken.  Kids are accepted into a corps because the drumcorps experience is valued by those that went before them.

I'll go one further:  Playing in the NFL isn't a privilege, its a J.O.B.  Being on the Olympic team is surely a privilege, not unlike corps where most give up a lot to be there.  Just because you shell out some money for something doesn't mean it can't be a privilege to be involved.

 

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37 minutes ago, jonnyboy said:

Well, I disagree 100%.  Being accepted in a drumcorps is a privilege.    You aren't paying for drumcorps.  You are paying for your food, room and board, transportation, and to a lesser extent instruction, instruments etc.    Make no mistake, the most expensive tour fees in DCI cover PART of the corps experience.  The other part is paid for by: volunteers, staff working for peanuts, professional drivers accepting a lower rates, alumni donating money, supporters running shows and fund raisers working hard to make up the rest of the budget.

If you think paying for a $6000 service with a $3000 check entitles you to think your membership is solely based on money you are mistaken.  Kids are accepted into a corps because the drumcorps experience is valued by those that went before them.

I'll go one further:  Playing in the NFL isn't a privilege, its a J.O.B.  Being on the Olympic team is surely a privilege, not unlike corps where most give up a lot to be there.  Just because you shell out some money for something doesn't mean it can't be a privilege to be involved.

 

Sorry I just disagree. I don't consider anything I write a check for a "privilege."

It's like the pastor asking for 10% of your salary then saying it's a privilege to be a member of said church, cause the 10% doesn't cover all of the church's expenses. 

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1 hour ago, jonnyboy said:

Well, I disagree 100%.  Being accepted in a drumcorps is a privilege.    You aren't paying for drumcorps.  You are paying for your food, room and board, transportation, and to a lesser extent instruction, instruments etc.    Make no mistake, the most expensive tour fees in DCI cover PART of the corps experience.  The other part is paid for by: volunteers, staff working for peanuts, professional drivers accepting a lower rates, alumni donating money, supporters running shows and fund raisers working hard to make up the rest of the budget.

If you think paying for a $6000 service with a $3000 check entitles you to think your membership is solely based on money you are mistaken.  Kids are accepted into a corps because the drumcorps experience is valued by those that went before them.

I'll go one further:  Playing in the NFL isn't a privilege, its a J.O.B.  Being on the Olympic team is surely a privilege, not unlike corps where most give up a lot to be there.  Just because you shell out some money for something doesn't mean it can't be a privilege to be involved.

Contentious subject LOL. I would agree that being accepted into drum corps is a privilege. I was proud to march in both DCI and DCA. That being said, I don't see how it being a privilege should have anything to do with smoking per sey. If the corps itself has a ban on it, then you as a member make a choice to either 1) choose another corps or 2) stop doing whatever it is that's banned. That's your choice to make and between you and the corps. 

Where I would strongly disagree is to say that smokers be auto-banned from the activity as a whole because someone has made the decision from the outside looking in that it is a sign of poor judgement/decision making, poor fitness and poor health. You are posting judgement from a horse that's awfully #### tall to fall off of. I smoke. I make no bones about it and no apologies. I smoked when I marched. If I suffer ill effects, then that's my personal choice. If you suffer ill effects from eating fast food, that's your choice. They will both eventually kill you one way or another. So how did we come to the decision that drum corps and smoking should somehow be mutually exclusive? 

Again, if the CORPS has a rule that says no smoking then that's fine. We have a certain very, VERY large insurance company in town who demands that all of their employees have a nicotine test every 3 months. Guess what? They're getting sued because what someone does on their own time, away from the working campus which is not illegal, is not their business. 

I understand where you cats are coming from. I truly do. But be it a privilege or not, someone who smokes can be just as appreciative as someone who doesn't. Smoking is not banned among athletes. If you smoke and you can't keep up mentally or physically then that's a hitch in the giddyup and you'll have to make a decision. Why should corps be any different unless the corps itself establishes a rule? 

 

Just sayin' 

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I guess the original point of this thread was to see if smoking was even still allowed, since I do know our corps had banned it in the early 2000's. Also with the vaping epidemic, are corps putting restrictions on that as well? 

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23 hours ago, xandandl said:

My last comment on this.

I do know of corps (plural) who have asked during auditions whether individual brass players for example smoke...the presumption perhaps that the perspective mm might not be able to fulfill the physical demand of a fully playing, fully marching 220 bpm program when the corps was scheduled to perform at Rocky Mt. elevations.  But that's when corps still marched and simultaneously played and not stood around or being pushed by people on props in the flatlands of Texas.

My point simply is that corps admins and volunteers break their backs to raise monies to fund corps believing mms don't have sufficient monies for basics. Addictive behaviors (smoking, drinking, drugs) cost monies and at best are luxuries and at worse activities which violate mms health; sometimes they are also illegal. If mms can afford these detriments even if only seen as luxuries, the corps should not fluster over raising the monies.  One corps even restricted cell phone use when the mms were losing focus texting, not dealing with corps mates, and getting lost in pornography and other outside activities the cell phones made too available. 

Lol. So if you can afford $5 pack of smokes you can afford the full amount of the corps fees? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Not even in the same ballpark, in the same city, in the same state, in the same country, on the same continent.

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1 minute ago, Incognito365 said:

Lol. So if you can afford $5 pack of smokes you can afford the full amount of the corps fees? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Not even in the same ballpark, in the same city, in the same state, in the same country, on the same continent.

I don’t smoke but they’re $5 in Kentucky now?  I remember Jim telling me that people would go across the river from Cincinnati to KY just to buy cigarettes. 

I don’t know how people afford that habit in Illinois. They raised the tax $1 a pack here July 1st. 

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3 hours ago, Cappybara said:

I still think smokers shouldn't be accepted to corps. It is a sign of poor judgment/decision-making, poor physical fitness, and poor lung capacity. If someone doesn't care about their body that's fine but why bring the corps down with you? 

Everyone who has candy in their bus box at San Antonio should be kicked out of DCI because they don't care about their body!!! 

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