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 What in the world is stopping FLO/DCI/Corps from securing the Sync Rights to offer a DVR Service, To offer Full audio and Video recording of past shows?

Surely ASCAP and BMI don't intend to stop a free market. The prices for these fees are negotiable..

Quick math here tells me FLO is charging $150 a year per person. I venture to say they have 20k to 30K Active FLOmarching subscribers. So annually they get 3 million to  4.5 Million is Revenue from Subscribers. (just ballpark, I'd be curious to know the true number, my estimates where based on the fact that they have 105,000 Instagram Followers) After paying the cost for the people running shows, maybe 4-5 people per show that are on tour you'd figure that they are hanging onto at least 1.5 - 3.5 Million after cost. Wouldn't there be some room to secure a sync license for each show.

And if the cost is so prohibitive, then why wouldn't DCI help FLO in sharing this cost. Why wouldn't DCI try to get Exceptions from the rights holders and argue for the educational value of these performances to bring the prices down..

IF having the Sync right to the shows (that allowed for DVR and Archives)  meant that the cost of the annual subscription went up $50 per subscriber wouldn't you pay to have that access? I would, in a heartbeat.

I don't know the details but It just seems to me like DCI freaked out after having the copyright issues questioned/fined a couple of years back and sold their soul to the First company who came along. 

Why can't DCI sell Ads to recoup the cost of the additional Sync licensing fees. I would not mind to see ads from the top Sponsors in the activity run throughout the stream similar to what we have for Regionals and Finals right now.Run ads during the Archives so that the Sponsors get maximum exposure for their buck.

What about Selling Title Sponsorship, Similar to what is happening tonight at Belton, the Yamaha DCI Regional Championship, Like College Football Bowls but for DCI.

Anything but sitting back and allowing Flo to destroy the product for now the third year is just simply crossing your hands and giving up while Taking in loads of cash.

 

At this point if I were DCI, When this current Multi-year contract ends,  I would hire 20 Intern Aged kids give them 3 Really good Cameras (One for each recording crew) Two boom Mics each to follow the tours around and provide a live recording from the box at each show. Stream the shows through Twitch or some other well established Streaming service that can handle the bandwidth of 25,000 Viewers and spend the rest of the money on the fees required to have DVR function and watchable archives of shows during the season.

Prioritize whats important,

  • Good High quality streams that wont fail because of limited bandwidth.
  • Great Sound Quality, "In the stands" Sound that are exactly what an audience member would hear sitting in the stands.
  • Little to no shows that are not Live streamed, Guarantee all TOC level shows are Live.
  • DVR Functionality during the Live Performance time + 3hours.
  • Archives of shows, In-season that can be watched at any point.

Not Important

  • In the lot access, Lothype, Youtube and other Independent media companies have this avenue covered, if you wanted to watch something in the lot you can probably watch it without having to watch through FLO.
  • Designer Interviews, Dan Potter and Marching Roundtable are doing an amazing job of this already and if given official access through DCI can cover all of the corps and news during the pre-season to satisfy the fans who crave BTS access.
  • Multicam run by an unexperienced person that is making poor decision on what to focus on and when.

 

Please do better DCI.

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22 minutes ago, Glenn426 said:

 What in the world is stopping FLO/DCI/Corps from securing the Sync Rights to offer a DVR Service, To offer Full audio and Video recording of past shows?

 

i edited for one simple reason and an answer i guarantee you won't like:

 

a ####### #### ton of money

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1 minute ago, BlueStainGlass said:

Flo is fine. Can people stop whining yet?

Flo has some issues, mostly on customer service. the broadcast has gotten better.

 

licensing fees and rights aint cheap. It's not like DCI and Flo are making millions on the deal. 

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7 minutes ago, Glenn426 said:

 What in the world is stopping FLO/DCI/Corps from securing the Sync Rights to offer a DVR Service, To offer Full audio and Video recording of past shows?

Surely ASCAP and BMI don't intend to stop a free market. The prices for these fees are negotiable..

Quick math here tells me FLO is charging $150 a year per person. I venture to say they have 20k to 30K Active FLOmarching subscribers. So annually they get 3 million to  4.5 Million is Revenue from Subscribers. (just ballpark, I'd be curious to know the true number, my estimates where based on the fact that they have 105,000 Instagram Followers) After paying the cost for the people running shows, maybe 4-5 people per show that are on tour you'd figure that they are hanging onto at least 1.5 - 3.5 Million after cost. Wouldn't there be some room to secure a sync license for each show.

And if the cost is so prohibitive, then why would DCI help FLO is sharing this cost. Why wouldn't DCI try to get Exceptions from the rights holders and argue for the educational value of these performances to bring the prices down..

IF having the Sync right to the shows (that allowed for DVR and Archives)  meant that the cost of the annual subscription went up $50 per subscriber wouldn't you pay to have that access? I would in a heartbeat.

I don't know the details but It just seems to me like DCI freaked out after having the copyright issues questioned a couple of years back and sold their soul to the First company who came along. 

Why wouldn't DCI sell Ads to recoup the cost of the additional Sync licensing fees. I would not mind to see ads from the top Sponsors in the activity run through out the stream similar to what we have for Regionals and Finals.

What about Selling Title Sponsorship, Similar to what is happening tonight at Belton, the Yamaha DCI Regional Championship, Like College Football Bowls but for DCI.

Anything but sitting back and allowing Flo to destroy the product for now the third year is just simply crossing your hands and giving up while Taking in loads of cash.

 

At this point if I were DCI, When this current Multi-year contract ends,  I would hire 20 Intern Aged kids give them 3 Really good Cameras (One for each recording crew) Two boom Mics each to follow the tours around and provide a live recording from the box at each show. Stream the shows through Twitch or some other well established Streaming service that can handle the bandwidth of 25,000 Viewers and spend the rest of the money on the fees required to have DVR function and watchable archives of shows during the season.

Prioritize whats important,

  • Good High quality streams that wont fail because of limited bandwidth.
  • Great Sound Quality, "In the stands" Sound that are exactly what an audience member would hear sitting in the stands.
  • Little to no shows that are not Live streamed, Guarantee all TOC level shows are Live.
  • DVR Functionality during the Live Performance time + 3hours.
  • Archives of shows, In-season that can be watched at any point.

Not Important

  • In the lot access, Lothype, Youtube and other Independent media companies have this avenue covered, if you wanted to watch something in the lot you can probably watch it without having to watch through FLO.
  • Designer Interviews, Dan Potter and Marching Roundtable are doing an amazing job of this already and if given official access through DCI can cover all of the corps and news during the pre-season to satisfy the fans who crave BTS access.
  • Multicam run by an unexperienced person that is making poor decision on what to focus on and when.

 

Please do better DCI.

My sentiments exactly. I received a lot of criticism in the Denton thread over copyright, etc.

Definitely DCI could do something to make the stream events more friendly for subscribers and fans of DCI. If nothing else, make the streams available for say a 24 period so those in the different time zones or working so they could watch the streams. I have had to rearrange my work schedule repeatedly just to watch a portion of the streams missing half of the shows. I might as well taken the time off and gone on tour with the kids.

I know people are tired of hearing these rants but it's really a simple problem to fix if DCI cared.

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47 minutes ago, Glenn426 said:

 What in the world is stopping FLO/DCI/Corps from securing the Sync Rights to offer a DVR Service, To offer Full audio and Video recording of past shows?

Surely ASCAP and BMI don't intend to stop a free market. The prices for these fees are negotiable..

Quick math here tells me FLO is charging $150 a year per person. I venture to say they have 20k to 30K Active FLOmarching subscribers. So annually they get 3 million to  4.5 Million is Revenue from Subscribers. (just ballpark, I'd be curious to know the true number, my estimates where based on the fact that they have 105,000 Instagram Followers) After paying the cost for the people running shows, maybe 4-5 people per show that are on tour you'd figure that they are hanging onto at least 1.5 - 3.5 Million after cost. Wouldn't there be some room to secure a sync license for each show.

And if the cost is so prohibitive, then why wouldn't DCI help FLO in sharing this cost. Why wouldn't DCI try to get Exceptions from the rights holders and argue for the educational value of these performances to bring the prices down..

IF having the Sync right to the shows (that allowed for DVR and Archives)  meant that the cost of the annual subscription went up $50 per subscriber wouldn't you pay to have that access? I would, in a heartbeat.

I don't know the details but It just seems to me like DCI freaked out after having the copyright issues questioned/fined a couple of years back and sold their soul to the First company who came along. 

Why can't DCI sell Ads to recoup the cost of the additional Sync licensing fees. I would not mind to see ads from the top Sponsors in the activity run throughout the stream similar to what we have for Regionals and Finals right now.Run ads during the Archives so that the Sponsors get maximum exposure for their buck.

What about Selling Title Sponsorship, Similar to what is happening tonight at Belton, the Yamaha DCI Regional Championship, Like College Football Bowls but for DCI.

Anything but sitting back and allowing Flo to destroy the product for now the third year is just simply crossing your hands and giving up while Taking in loads of cash.

 

At this point if I were DCI, When this current Multi-year contract ends,  I would hire 20 Intern Aged kids give them 3 Really good Cameras (One for each recording crew) Two boom Mics each to follow the tours around and provide a live recording from the box at each show. Stream the shows through Twitch or some other well established Streaming service that can handle the bandwidth of 25,000 Viewers and spend the rest of the money on the fees required to have DVR function and watchable archives of shows during the season.

Prioritize whats important,

  • Good High quality streams that wont fail because of limited bandwidth.
  • Great Sound Quality, "In the stands" Sound that are exactly what an audience member would hear sitting in the stands.
  • Little to no shows that are not Live streamed, Guarantee all TOC level shows are Live.
  • DVR Functionality during the Live Performance time + 3hours.
  • Archives of shows, In-season that can be watched at any point.

Not Important

  • In the lot access, Lothype, Youtube and other Independent media companies have this avenue covered, if you wanted to watch something in the lot you can probably watch it without having to watch through FLO.
  • Designer Interviews, Dan Potter and Marching Roundtable are doing an amazing job of this already and if given official access through DCI can cover all of the corps and news during the pre-season to satisfy the fans who crave BTS access.
  • Multicam run by an unexperienced person that is making poor decision on what to focus on and when.

 

Please do better DCI.

Nothing like a passive/aggressive rant by a Canadian with no clue, eh?

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23 minutes ago, Jeff Ream said:

Flo has some issues, mostly on customer service. the broadcast has gotten better.

 

licensing fees and rights aint cheap. It's not like DCI and Flo are making millions on the deal. 

You have a product or you don't have a product. DCI has mad sure that after the fannetwork went down that we have a way to see and no matter what it is better than seeing nothing. 

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23 minutes ago, BlueStainGlass said:

Flo is fine. Can people stop whining yet?

Seriously I'm so tired of people complaining. They expect way too much from a streaming service of a very niche product/activity. This isn't a major sports organization receiving millions of views And revenue from advertising. Not just that, but also having to accommodate at times awful infrastructure from stadium to stadium, bad weather conditions, varying acoustic conditions, AND shows based on sound that are all over the field from corps to corps. This isn't some Beyonce halftime show where there is one stage and a set number of microphones being used to record a few different people on stage. 

Just a general principle of life: don't keep your expectations so sky high, you'll be a lot happier. 

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23 minutes ago, Rich Cline said:

My sentiments exactly. I received a lot of criticism in the Denton thread over copyright, etc.

Definitely DCI could do something to make the stream events more friendly for subscribers and fans of DCI. If nothing else, make the streams available for say a 24 period so those in the different time zones or working so they could watch the streams. I have had to rearrange my work schedule repeatedly just to watch a portion of the streams missing half of the shows. I might as well taken the time off and gone on tour with the kids.

I know people are tired of hearing these rants but it's really a simple problem to fix if DCI cared.

There are legal reasons why there is no DVR capability to Flo. Why people don't understand this many years after the Fan Network was shut down is beyond me 

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If you can’t be with the one you love then love the one you’re stuck with. Love 💕 you Flo! 

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