Cappybara Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 40 minutes ago, 2muchcoffeeman said: Maybe not, but what if the pre-recorded stuff is just stellar? What if it's so good that it overcomes the fact that the "musicians" aren't actually, you know, musicianing? If I understand the rulebook correctly, there is no boundary line defined. At the moment, the scales have tipped only slightly away from actual human acoustic performance. But what rule is in place to prevent the scales from tipping even further away from human-powered sound? As far as I am aware, there is none. And without any, it's only a matter of time before sound engineers get so good at this DCI thing that they no longer need to factor in live music. I realize this is, today in 2019, a fevered slippery-slope argument, but does anyone have a good argument to offer against it? What evidence is there that adjudication will, at some point, penalize the overuse of pre-recorded music? Can anyone identify where that red line lies? Do the DCI members even want a red line? (interesting side note: None of this affects the guard. In fact, this moves the musicians toward being an extension of the guard, and in the ultimate expression of this vision, the whole show becomes a dance routine. Dance Corps International, I suppose.) This is just a whole lot of whataboutism Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spatzzz Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 1 hour ago, Old Corps Guy said: Jeff, your starting to reach at this point. The tempo is "locked in" once the recording starts. Yes, projecting it forward is a true statement. However, the tempo is still locked just like a metronome. This is the dirty little secret behind pre-recorded audio. Everyone knows it is happening. They just don't want to talk about it. Have you tried to get an ensemble that is spread across the field to align vertically with sound coming from speakers pointing AWAY from the ensemble so that everything to the audience reads in time? HINT: It is not easy and in fact is HARDER in many cases. It is in fact ANOTHER challenge that modern performers face and overcome. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Ream Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 5 minutes ago, Spatzzz said: Have you tried to get an ensemble that is spread across the field to align vertically with sound coming from speakers pointing AWAY from the ensemble so that everything to the audience reads in time? HINT: It is not easy and in fact is HARDER in many cases. It is in fact ANOTHER challenge that modern performers face and overcome. yup. it's tough enough in indoor, now add 100 more people and a football stadium...and the acoustics can change in each stadium Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spatzzz Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 3 minutes ago, Jeff Ream said: yup. it's tough enough in indoor, now add 100 more people and a football stadium...and the acoustics can change in each stadium Acoustics in the domes are terrible for the most part and on the field the challenges of the listening environment for the performers can be very difficult. To say that a snippet of music played to the audience makes that BETTER is laughable. Often times the guard has the largest spreads and the most difficult job dealing with tempo across their ensemble due to the listening environment they are put in based on their staging. I wish people would understand how difficult a job these kids have and give them some credit instead of just automatically going to the default assumption that technology makes everything easier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E3D Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 ok then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cappybara Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 11 minutes ago, E3D said: ok then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E3D Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 Just now, Cappybara said: Were you able to see the new show ending with Bluecoats? Did they add 2 or 4 new amps? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cappybara Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 4 minutes ago, E3D said: Were you able to see the new show ending with Bluecoats? Did they add 2 or 4 new amps? They probably still have balanced their goo better than any corps on the field, including Boston. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tedrick Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 Just now, Cappybara said: They probably still have balanced their goo better than any corps on the field, including Boston. no goo - just pure golden, audio butter 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E3D Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 10 minutes ago, Cappybara said: They probably still have balanced their goo better than any corps on the field, including Boston. Probably still? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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