Cappybara Posted August 5, 2019 Share Posted August 5, 2019 4 minutes ago, Eleran said: Not to put words in his mouth, but why would he agree with that? He just told you he values the celebration of individual rock star members. How better than having unique costumes where those stars are more easily noticed? Not that I necessarily agree with that line of reasoning, but it's pointless to presume any consensus agreement. I meant it more as a figure of speech. Not presuming anything Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drumcorpsfever Posted August 5, 2019 Share Posted August 5, 2019 (edited) “UNTOUCHABLE... PROFESSIONAL... DEMAND RESPECT” These words, more than any other, are what I dislike about today’s uni-tard, headgear-free look that so many corps copy from each other. On some level, corps understand this. It’s why Bluecoats and Phantom iconize their helmets as a symbol of “untouchable, professional, demand respect - at least PR wears theirs. PS - love your designs, Ken! Edited August 5, 2019 by drumcorpsfever 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triple Forte Posted August 5, 2019 Share Posted August 5, 2019 1 hour ago, garfield said: I stopped believing quite some time ago that drum corps is an accurate proxy for society as a whole. It's not, and it's a delusion to consider that it is. Problem is this....the folks on the inside (creators , staff etc.) think and believe this. They are in fantasyland (with everything props, money, costumes..etc) and have a zero outside looking in view of the activity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cadevilina Crown Posted August 5, 2019 Share Posted August 5, 2019 (edited) What I wouldn't mind seeing more often is traditional uniforms to be used only for parades and retreats (e.g. Cavaliers), or for the DMs only (e.g. Cavaliers, BK). That way, at least one traditional aspect of the corps can be seen and identified. Otherwise, the traditional uniform ship has (mostly) sailed. Edited August 5, 2019 by Cadevilina Crown 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terri Schehr Posted August 5, 2019 Share Posted August 5, 2019 I like them. But I’m old and I am nostalgic sometimes so I’m probably not a good sample. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfrontz Posted August 5, 2019 Share Posted August 5, 2019 2 hours ago, garfield said: I stopped believing quite some time ago that drum corps is an accurate proxy for society as a whole. It's not, and it's a delusion to consider that it is. Society as a whole has exalted individuals since the dawn of man; sports stars are the obvious example, but also in the arts across all spectrums, individuals are held out as spectacular examples of the craft they excel at even if part of a "team" (The Three Tenors, anyone?). I doubt strongly that today's bend toward unitards and feather boas is some example of society's emphasis on the individual. And I'll also add that, if it is, then it's about time drum corps has moved in this direction. Make heroes out of the star players. Hold them up as the leading examples even if there's a line of performers around them. Do you know what I see when I watch that monster BD snare line? Brandon Olander, the rockstar center snare who overcame incredible odds to live his dream in THAT spot, and worked his toosh off for, now, 8 years to earn the right to stand there. I appreciate the whole line, but my hat-tip goes squarely to him and his true "rock star" status in the BD line. Make them rock stars, make them sponsorable individually, and hold them out as the best reasons to do music performance. Lastly, the activity has done it "your" way (I know you're reflecting other viewpoints, too) and look where we are. With so many significant changes made and coming to the activity, the uniform issue is not as significant as 1. judging based on the number of music rights attained, 2. the props arms race, 3. the instrumentation, and 4. inequity among corps attempting to compete on financial wherewithal because of 1 - 3. I'm intrigued by your simultaneous contention that drum corps doesn't reflect society and your prescription that DCI focus on the individual, and forgive me if I'm wrong, to the point of something like 'Brandon Olander, sponsored by Promark.' How much more reflective of today's society can you get? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShortAndFast Posted August 5, 2019 Share Posted August 5, 2019 2 hours ago, Cappybara said: Good points. Regardless, we can atleast agree that corps with "uniforms" that aren't even consistent from person to person is a little ridiculous, yes? Why? I would much rather look at Bluecoats' theatrical approach to costuming, where each performer is a little different but they combine into an aesthetic overall package, than a unit 100% in matching ugly spandex. Personally, I'd bet a fair number of visual designers are looking at Bloo's costuming these past two years and considering their options. I doubt there are many considering a return to traditional colors or styles. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybersnyder Posted August 5, 2019 Share Posted August 5, 2019 Looking more like Cirque du Soleil. Not sure if that's a good thing or not, but Cirque du Soleil is still in business and doing well while Barnum and Bailey is defunct. Personally, I'd like to see a nod towards their traditional unis, but it really doesn't bother me too much. Just put something on the field (graphic or whatever) so that five years from now when I watch a video I'll be able to remember which corps it is. So, I dislike Troop's uniforms - too much of a deviation from traditional, but I absolutely loved SCV's last year. Maybe it's just that you take more of chance on love or hate of the uniforms for a given year when it's all new and abstract each year. I guess we just need lasers and fog machines, but please, please, please, no woodwinds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garfield Posted August 5, 2019 Share Posted August 5, 2019 14 minutes ago, cybersnyder said: Looking more like Cirque du Soleil. Not sure if that's a good thing or not, but Cirque du Soleil is still in business and doing well while Barnum and Bailey is defunct. Personally, I'd like to see a nod towards their traditional unis, but it really doesn't bother me too much. Just put something on the field (graphic or whatever) so that five years from now when I watch a video I'll be able to remember which corps it is. So, I dislike Troop's uniforms - too much of a deviation from traditional, but I absolutely loved SCV's last year. Maybe it's just that you take more of chance on love or hate of the uniforms for a given year when it's all new and abstract each year. I guess we just need lasers and fog machines, but please, please, please, no woodwinds. But Cirque has woodwinds. Or better, no rules or restrictions. Barnum & Bailey is drum corps before 2018 and Cirque is drum corps since, I guess is your point. (Anyone looking at the caravan of corps as they roll into town would easily confuse drum corps with Barnum's gig.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cappybara Posted August 5, 2019 Share Posted August 5, 2019 55 minutes ago, ShortAndFast said: Why? I would much rather look at Bluecoats' theatrical approach to costuming, where each performer is a little different but they combine into an aesthetic overall package, than a unit 100% in matching ugly spandex. Personally, I'd bet a fair number of visual designers are looking at Bloo's costuming these past two years and considering their options. I doubt there are many considering a return to traditional colors or styles. Which is extremely unfortunate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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