FlamMan Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 20 hours ago, weedyweidenthal said: In those 10 years, Dann Petersen was named DCI Director of the Year. There's been 3 Jim Jones awards in the corps. The corps went from 15th place to as high as 8th or so (and that changed at the same time when a bunch of the same alums complaining now were lauding the staff changes that occurred after the 2014 season). The corps financials have finally started looking good. You can focus on the negatives all you want, but to ignore the positives and write the corps off as a failure is very narrow minded. Gotta raise the bar and expectations. It's been 10 years of incompetence and failure. Bad organizations can always point out a few positives which is what bad organizations do rather than make bold moves to improve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlamMan Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 6 hours ago, HockeyDad said: Really? Provide supporting information. Otherwise, if people can’t argue without taking it into over the top personal attacks, then they should just stop. I get it. He doesn’t like the changes the incompetent leadership team has made. That doesn’t mean he’s the president of the He-Man Women Haters Club. Exactly right. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madisonsmiley Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 On 12/14/2019 at 4:01 PM, MotoSurfBass said: How about several seasons in the Top 12, including at least one season where they beat the champion in at least one caption at Finals (2013 percussion)? Not every corps can be the Blue Devils and completely dominate the activity for a decade plus. Yes, they did well competitively under Jim Mason's leadership. Then someone fired Mason abruptly and the board didn't bat an eye. How have they done since then? The trend line isn't good. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tesmusic Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 2 hours ago, madisonsmiley said: Yes, they did well competitively under Jim Mason's leadership. Then someone fired Mason abruptly and the board didn't bat an eye. How have they done since then? The trend line isn't good. I had someone PM me on here stating that Mason chose to retire, due to Scott Stewart’s way if planning the Macy’s gig. First off the inept CK fired him, which is one of the worst kept secrets from that time. Second, the comment expressed to me is beyond laughable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roark1 Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 Here is a link to the news on the improving financial situation of the Corps. http://www.madisonscouts.org/2019/12/forward-performing-arts-reports-preliminary-financial-results-for-2019/ 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slingerland Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 (edited) 11 hours ago, Roark1 said: Here is a link to the news on the improving financial situation of the Corps. http://www.madisonscouts.org/2019/12/forward-performing-arts-reports-preliminary-financial-results-for-2019/ Those numbers don't speak of 'failing' leadership, Scout alums. In business, you keep your job by providing sound leadership and hitting your financial targets. Being able to hire good people requires having a sound financial footing first; it's how Mandarins ground their way up from Friday night to being a Finalist; they built one of the soundest financial houses in the activity first. Edited December 17, 2019 by Slingerland 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg_orangecounty Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 This probably belongs in historical, but anyways..........in 1977 we were at a show with Madison (Allentown?). Their equipment truck, or something, broke down and they asked to use our drums for their show. We thought it was a big deal at the time and that it made us cooler. There's a picture out there somewhere with their marching tympani section using black and blue stripped tymps. Carry on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Ream Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 4 hours ago, Slingerland said: Those numbers don't speak of 'failing' leadership, Scout alums. In business, you keep your job by providing sound leadership and hitting your financial targets. Being able to hire good people requires having a sound financial footing first; it's how Mandarins ground their way up from Friday night to being a Finalist; they built one of the soundest financial houses in the activity first. a good read indeed. if anything staffing decisions may be the biggest failure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
endy29 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 On 12/14/2019 at 3:32 PM, weedyweidenthal said: In those 10 years, Dann Petersen was named DCI Director of the Year. There's been 3 Jim Jones awards in the corps. The corps went from 15th place to as high as 8th or so (and that changed at the same time when a bunch of the same alums complaining now were lauding the staff changes that occurred after the 2014 season). The corps financials have finally started looking good. You can focus on the negatives all you want, but to ignore the positives and write the corps off as a failure is very narrow minded. Weedy, you are wasting your breath. They are blinded by their own hatred and bitterness and you will never convince them otherwise. A very wise man once said that in a debate, whomever resorts to insults and slurs is the loser, because he can't make his position without them. Bet we see a lot of each in the replies. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slingerland Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 (edited) 8 hours ago, Jeff Ream said: a good read indeed. if anything staffing decisions may be the biggest failure The failure last year was in listening to their alums and thinking that going back to a staff member from the 1970s would somehow unlock potential. The time-honored way to re-build is to locate talent that is over-achieving in less-then-perfect conditions and then give them time to coalesce as a team and establish an identity. Money to invest in the right talent is part of the equation, time is the other most important element. Edited December 17, 2019 by Slingerland 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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