kdaddy Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 11 minutes ago, Tad_MMA said: My pun, or the show? 😁 Yes 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Dixon Posted September 4, 2019 Author Share Posted September 4, 2019 4 hours ago, ranintothedoor said: My best student ran up to me yesterday and said, "DID YOU SEE THE NEWS?!? I'm doing Cadets and that's it." He had been considering Crown and Jersey Surf. Bocook, Sacktig, and Aungst have a bigger following than you might give them credit for... 🙂 saw the same thing from a couple brass players posting on Reddit as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post East9900 Posted September 4, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 4, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, MikeRapp said: The continual drama around Cadets is for me, at best, tiresome. I rarely even visited the Cadets thread for the past 18 months. It just seems like it’s been forever since non-Cadets loyalists were cheering them on, due to a variety of factors. The Cadets show concepts have sucked for so long. Drama on DCP... absolutely. Drama outside of DCP..... not so much. If you are referring to the GH drama, that isn't the fault of The Cadets, but they are certainly having to deal with the aftermath and hopefully the darkest days are behind us. In regards to the shows, shows under GH were pretty rough. Marching in 99 and 00 I got to see first hand complete opposite sides of the spectrum. I saw when it went terribly wrong and I saw when it went incredibly right. In my opinion he went overboard in regards to narration. Angels and Demons was incredible and I actually liked Side By Side as well as Power of 10. There were some very cringeworthy shows, but those performers performed the hell out of those shows. Say what you want about the show concepts, but those shows were competing for championships. Top 5 placements since 2001 2001-Juxtaposition tied for 2nd 2002-American Revival- 3rd 2003-Our Favorite Things- 3rd 2004-Jethro Tull- 4th 2005-The Zone- 1st 2006- Vol 2 Through the Looking Glass- 5th 2007- This I Believe- 2nd 2008 ..and the pursuit of happiness- 5th 2009 West Side Story 3rd 2010 Toy SOULdier 5th 2011 Angels and Demons 1st 2012 12.25 4th 2013 Side x Side 3rd 2014 Promise: An American Portrait 3rd 2015 Power of Ten 4th You can call these shows garbage all you want, but they were constantly placing in the Top 5. I'm not saying I liked these shows, but people are talking like The Cadets have been irrelevant for decades. That's just not true. Dislike the shows all you want, but there's no denying the fact that prior to 2016 The Cadets were a perennial Top 5 corps. You may not like some of those shows, but some of the most disliked shows were in contention for a title. Some corps would die to have the kind of run The Cadets had. There is also no denying the fact that The Cadets have had a rough time since 2016 with some pretty poor conceived shows. I'm willing to give 2018 a pass due to the amount of stuff that was happening as well as the design team truly had to do the best they could with the short time they had. 2019- I really thought would be the year things changed, but hopefully this year will be the one that will turn it around. It isn't going to happen overnight, but hopefully this year will be the year we can look back as the year The Cadets became a threat again. It certainly looks like a very strong team and hopefully they can bring in the performers to make it happen. Cautiously optimistic at this point, but optimistic nevertheless. Edited September 4, 2019 by East9900 10 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boxingfred Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 3 hours ago, Tad_MMA said: I feel you, Dawg. I really do. In the 80s and 90s, the Cadets' field entrances would give me chills. I just knew the audience was going to be wowed. Enter Century 21, and this $hit happened: 2001: Juxtaperformance: (noun) (vulgar slang); "We have no idea what to do, so let's just grab unrelated tunes with no transitions and give it a 'clever' title." 2002: A pale reenactment of the 1995 greatness. "We matter more, because New Jersey is close to the World Trade Center." 2003: "Our Favorite Things?" Santa Clara's/Madison's favorite things. Then "Rocky Point Holiday" which stopped dead halfway through. 2004: Jethro Tull. I (literally) fell asleep at the Indy regional. That was a theme chosen more for a corps trying desperately to make Finals. 2005: Zone/Door: Without the performance level, that would have been hopeless. 2006: Zone Part 2. See above. Yipes. Remember the atonal (accidental) singer? 2007/08: So much narration that my head almost exploded. 2010: The stupidest concept sadly involving a corps member: "Little Geoffrey." Totally forgettable show with a great drill. 2012: A very high DCI muckety-muck said to me, and I quote: "Only George Hopkins can completely phukk up a Christmas show." 2013: Musically stellar; visually an absolute mess with those giant whateverthehells. 2014: A talented corps interrupted with lifeless music and narration. Sadly, their last good color guard. 2015: That uniform. 2016: "Clash of the Corps" was a national embarrassment for the 82 y.o. corps. I will go to my death convinced that this was the last straw for Hopkins. 2017: Leonard Bernstein's "Mess." 2018: Made me remember how great -- and missed -- 1993 was. 2019: Sadly, I thought, "Thank God they aren't at the Akron T.O.C." I wonder how much alumni support they've lost. I really hope the best for them. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fsthnds Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 23 hours ago, Tim K said: A few thoughts: I agree that Denise Bonfiglio is an excellent choice as director. Though I did not hear rumors as early as July about her being director, I did assume it would happen in a year or two when she was first hired. I only know her casually and found her to be gracious (how could she be otherwise since the conversations would have been about 27th or her parents) but I do know people who know her from her former job and in drum corps and she is not afraid to make difficult decisions and knows how to do it without beginning WW III. Regarding Darcie A. Even though I enjoyed some of these shows, from a design point of view Crown 2014 was a far cry from 2013. Cavies 2012 placed 8th and given the season was lucky, and it was a huge distance design wise from 2011. Even with the most gifted people, bad design happens. She’s probably learned from this past year. Darcie was/is the Artistic Coord. I talked with her after she was announced a year ago and my understanding was she was there to oversee costuming and set design. Basically be the color coordinator for the production. It just seems everyone wants to blame/question her on all their 2019 staging/music/drill problems. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East9900 Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 (edited) 15 minutes ago, fsthnds said: Darcie was/is the Artistic Coord. I talked with her after she was announced a year ago and my understanding was she was there to oversee costuming and set design. Basically be the color coordinator for the production. It just seems everyone wants to blame/question her on all their 2019 staging/music/drill problems. I think many (myself included) are doing just that. Most of us are probably giving her too much credit for the failures of last year. I do know the steps were mostly her design and they were one of the highlights of the season- they did look incredible. The uniform was hit/miss for me (initial look was a hit, but the hats/open jacket look were misses IMO) but certainly wasn't the reason the show didn't work. She probably had little to no say as to the drill aside from what she had referred to in an interview (wanted it to be to Cadets standards- fast and frenetic .. not her exact words). Unfortunately the drill design was incredibly poor and they tried to fix it but it was too late. I do blame the design team for not having the thought that perhaps they knew what they were already getting. I think Drew had a lot of say into the overall design of the show since he had a lot to say in the interviews in regards to the design. He is no longer there so we will see what Darcie will do with the new team. There is something she said in interviews to consider : They had design talks about what they wanted to keep with The Cadets and what they didn't. I have gotta think since there's a new design team that these ideas will be talked about again and since the team is considerably different there's the possibility the things they want to keep will be much different than the previous team. I just hope they don't stick to the idea that they need a story to make a good drum corps show. I hope it's more of a concept than a story that they can build off of and create drum corps moments that are exciting and make the crowd want to stand up and cheer, which is something last year was severely lacking. Edited September 4, 2019 by East9900 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exitmusic Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 17 minutes ago, fsthnds said: Darcie was/is the Artistic Coord. I talked with her after she was announced a year ago and my understanding was she was there to oversee costuming and set design. Basically be the color coordinator for the production. It just seems everyone wants to blame/question her on all their 2019 staging/music/drill problems. Who was ultimately responsible for programming "Do Better," which is arguably the single worst drum corps production of the modern era? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njthundrrd Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 1 hour ago, George Dixon said: saw the same thing from a couple brass players posting on Reddit as well Link please? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Dixon Posted September 4, 2019 Author Share Posted September 4, 2019 1 minute ago, njthundrrd said: Link please? It’s in the main thread talking about the staff 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dans Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 14 minutes ago, East9900 said: I think many (myself included) are doing just that. Most of us are probably giving her too much credit for the failures of last year. I do know the steps were mostly her design and they were one of the highlights of the season- they did look incredible. The uniform was hit/miss for me (initial look was a hit, but the hats/open jacket look were misses IMO) but certainly wasn't the reason the show didn't work. She probably had little to no say as to the drill aside from what she had referred to in an interview (wanted it to be to Cadets standards- fast and frenetic .. not her exact words). Unfortunately the drill design was incredibly poor and they tried to fix it but it was too late. I do blame the design team for not having the thought that perhaps they knew what they were already getting. I think Drew had a lot of say into the overall design of the show since he had a lot to say in the interviews in regards to the design. He is no longer there so we will see what Darcie will do with the new team. There is something she said in interviews to consider : They had design talks about what they wanted to keep with The Cadets and what they didn't. I have gotta think since there's a new design team that these ideas will be talked about again and since the team is considerably different there's the possibility the things they want to keep will be much different than the previous team. I just hope they don't stick to the idea that they need a story to make a good drum corps show. I hope it's more of a concept than a story that they can build off of and create drum corps moments that are exciting and make the crowd want to stand up and cheer, which is something last year was severely lacking. Amen! Well said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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