dbc03 Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 They are rules, not laws. The DCI members can suspend the rules for special circumstances. I suspect that is what would happen 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpbobcat Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 (edited) 54 minutes ago, dans said: There have been several on this thread who have presented first-hand information. The information didn't support the doom and gloom agenda and was mostly ignored. I am pumped for the 2020 Cadets! Have a great day sir! This is not exactly true. There are several people who have posted on this thread that they "have" first hand information about what is happening with YEA/Cadets. But they also posted that,at this time they can't reveal what that information is. They may be 100% accurate in their representations of the overall health of the corps. But,as Hockey Dad said,saying things like "information will be forthcoming" does not constitute providing first hand information. Edited January 30, 2020 by rpbobcat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim K Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 A few things about parent organizations: If you look at a church as an example, a church can often have its congregation, but may also run a daycare, school, after school program, food pantry, etc. Chances are the school, daycare, food pantry, and other entities have separate tax ID numbers, which make them separate legal entities though the owner/parent is the church. This allows for some flexibility. Let’s just say the church can no longer afford to run one of the entities, it can be spun off. In the case of a school, this would be a huge advantage because it does not lose accreditation. In the case of YEA, US Bands and Cadets most likely have separate tax ID numbers. YEA can sell US Bands, it could spin off Cadets. If YEA decided to no longer sponsor Cadets, they would still be a drum corps. DCI deals with the corps, not the parent company, so if they met the criteria, they could compete without breaking any rules or violating policies. Over the years that has happened. Churches, VFW groups, scouting organizations sponsored corps and withdrew sponsorship and some of those corps compete to this day. In the case of Cadets, they were once Holy Name Cadets, Boston Crusaders were MPB Crusaders (Most Precious Blood), Bridgemen were once St. Andrew’s Bridgemen. If the parent organization disbands the corps, that’s a different matter. IC Reveries seniors were disbanded after the sit down strike and 27th Lancers came to be. It would also be a different matter if staff decided to break away from a parent organization and begin a new corps. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2000Cadet Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 2 hours ago, rpbobcat said: This is not exactly true. There are several people who have posted on this thread that they "have" first hand information about what is happening with YEA/Cadets. But they also posted that,at this time they can't reveal what that information is. They may be 100% accurate in their representations of the overall health of the corps. But,as Hockey Dad said,saying things like "information will be forthcoming" does not constitute providing first hand information. Frankly, it really doesn't matter on this site WHAT information is presented. People will still believe what they want to believe. Facts do not matter in the 21st century. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybersnyder Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 32 minutes ago, Tim K said: A few things about parent organizations: If you look at a church as an example, a church can often have its congregation, but may also run a daycare, school, after school program, food pantry, etc. Chances are the school, daycare, food pantry, and other entities have separate tax ID numbers, which make them separate legal entities though the owner/parent is the church. This allows for some flexibility. Let’s just say the church can no longer afford to run one of the entities, it can be spun off. In the case of a school, this would be a huge advantage because it does not lose accreditation. In the case of YEA, US Bands and Cadets most likely have separate tax ID numbers. YEA can sell US Bands, it could spin off Cadets. If YEA decided to no longer sponsor Cadets, they would still be a drum corps. DCI deals with the corps, not the parent company, so if they met the criteria, they could compete without breaking any rules or violating policies. Over the years that has happened. Churches, VFW groups, scouting organizations sponsored corps and withdrew sponsorship and some of those corps compete to this day. In the case of Cadets, they were once Holy Name Cadets, Boston Crusaders were MPB Crusaders (Most Precious Blood), Bridgemen were once St. Andrew’s Bridgemen. If the parent organization disbands the corps, that’s a different matter. IC Reveries seniors were disbanded after the sit down strike and 27th Lancers came to be. It would also be a different matter if staff decided to break away from a parent organization and begin a new corps. I don't think it's as simple as having a different EIN. YEA filed their 990 with EIN 22-2052456 and listed Cadets revenue and expenses. They may be a program of YEA, but they are very much YEA. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cixelsyd Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 14 minutes ago, Tim K said: A few things about parent organizations: If you look at a church as an example, a church can often have its congregation, but may also run a daycare, school, after school program, food pantry, etc. Chances are the school, daycare, food pantry, and other entities have separate tax ID numbers, which make them separate legal entities though the owner/parent is the church. This allows for some flexibility. Let’s just say the church can no longer afford to run one of the entities, it can be spun off. In the case of a school, this would be a huge advantage because it does not lose accreditation. In the case of YEA, US Bands and Cadets most likely have separate tax ID numbers. YEA can sell US Bands, it could spin off Cadets. If YEA decided to no longer sponsor Cadets, they would still be a drum corps. DCI deals with the corps, not the parent company, so if they met the criteria, they could compete without breaking any rules or violating policies. Over the years that has happened. Churches, VFW groups, scouting organizations sponsored corps and withdrew sponsorship and some of those corps compete to this day. In the case of Cadets, they were once Holy Name Cadets, Boston Crusaders were MPB Crusaders (Most Precious Blood), Bridgemen were once St. Andrew’s Bridgemen. If the parent organization disbands the corps, that’s a different matter. IC Reveries seniors were disbanded after the sit down strike and 27th Lancers came to be. It would also be a different matter if staff decided to break away from a parent organization and begin a new corps. YEA! is not a typical parent organization. - Usually, parents create children, not the other way around. In this case, YEA! was created over 50 years after the Cadets. - Both parent and child were run by the same person for almost their entire time of coexistence. - From the perspective of DCI, a member corps is a member corps. The non-profit entity or parent org is just another limb of that same body. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waliman4444 Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 Patience is truly virtuous....unless you're a drum corps fan ..lol....I'm just pleased that the Cadets appear to be recovering from 3+ years of meandering mediocrity...many on here are knowledgeable about financials, so I leave that area of expertise to them..for me, I just want to see the Cadets represent the tradition east coast drum is famous for...peace 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimF-LowBari Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, 2000Cadet said: Frankly, it really doesn't matter on this site WHAT information is presented. People will still believe what they want to believe. Facts do not matter in the 21st century. Agree to a point... the pro side has presented what they have seen at camps and info that they somehow “know” but everyone will have to wait for it officially. The anti side has been saying stuff and nothing backing that up either Until I see anything from corps management or DCI it’s just two sides saying “trust me”. Edited January 30, 2020 by JimF-LowBari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2000Cadet Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 3 minutes ago, JimF-LowBari said: Agree to a point... the pro side has presented what they have seen at camps and info that they somehow “know” but everyone will have to wait for it officially. The anti side has been saying stuff and nothing backing that up either Until I see anything from corps management or DCI it’s just two sides saying “trust me”. Exactly. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpbobcat Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 9 minutes ago, cixelsyd said: YEA! is not a typical parent organization. - Usually, parents create children, not the other way around. In this case, YEA! was created over 50 years after the Cadets. - Both parent and child were run by the same person for almost their entire time of coexistence. - From the perspective of DCI, a member corps is a member corps. The non-profit entity or parent org is just another limb of that same body. I think this depends on exactly how YEA was/is structured. YEA was created well after the Cadets were founded. The question is,when YEA was created,how did they incorporate the Cadets. The Cadets did "operate" under the YEA moniker. They used to be announced as "sponsored by YEA".If that is accurate,they were no longer acting independently,but as,for lack of a better word,a "division" of YEA. The relationship was/is ,to say the least,a bit murky. How DCI looks at this is one thing. What's much more important is how this plays out in the legal system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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