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54 minutes ago, dans said:

There have been several on this thread who have presented first-hand information. The information didn't support the doom and gloom agenda and was mostly ignored. I am pumped for the 2020 Cadets! Have a great day sir!

This is not exactly true.

There are several people who have posted on this thread that they "have" first hand information about what is happening with YEA/Cadets.

But they also posted that,at this time they can't reveal what that information is.

They may be 100% accurate in their representations of the overall health of the corps.

But,as Hockey Dad said,saying things like "information will be forthcoming" does 

not constitute providing first hand information.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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 A few things about parent organizations:

If you look at a church as an example, a church can often have its congregation, but may also run a daycare, school, after school program, food pantry, etc. Chances are the school, daycare, food pantry, and other entities have separate tax ID numbers, which make them separate legal entities though the owner/parent is the church. This allows for some flexibility. Let’s just say the church can no longer afford to run one of the entities, it can be spun off. In the case of a school, this would be a huge advantage because it does not lose accreditation. In the case of YEA, US Bands and Cadets most likely have separate tax ID numbers. YEA can sell US Bands, it could spin off Cadets. If YEA decided to no longer sponsor Cadets, they would still be a drum corps. DCI deals with the corps, not the parent company, so if they met the criteria, they could compete without breaking any rules or violating policies. Over the years that has happened. Churches, VFW groups, scouting organizations sponsored corps and withdrew sponsorship and some of those corps compete to this day. In the case of Cadets, they were once Holy Name Cadets, Boston Crusaders were MPB Crusaders (Most Precious Blood), Bridgemen were once St. Andrew’s Bridgemen. If the parent organization disbands the corps, that’s a different matter. IC Reveries seniors were disbanded after the sit down strike and 27th Lancers came to be. It would also be a different matter if staff decided to break away from a parent organization and begin a new corps. 

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2 hours ago, rpbobcat said:

This is not exactly true.

There are several people who have posted on this thread that they "have" first hand information about what is happening with YEA/Cadets.

But they also posted that,at this time they can't reveal what that information is.

They may be 100% accurate in their representations of the overall health of the corps.

But,as Hockey Dad said,saying things like "information will be forthcoming" does 

not constitute providing first hand information.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Frankly, it really doesn't matter on this site WHAT information is presented. People will still believe what they want to believe. Facts do not matter in the 21st century. 

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32 minutes ago, Tim K said:

 A few things about parent organizations:

If you look at a church as an example, a church can often have its congregation, but may also run a daycare, school, after school program, food pantry, etc. Chances are the school, daycare, food pantry, and other entities have separate tax ID numbers, which make them separate legal entities though the owner/parent is the church. This allows for some flexibility. Let’s just say the church can no longer afford to run one of the entities, it can be spun off. In the case of a school, this would be a huge advantage because it does not lose accreditation. In the case of YEA, US Bands and Cadets most likely have separate tax ID numbers. YEA can sell US Bands, it could spin off Cadets. If YEA decided to no longer sponsor Cadets, they would still be a drum corps. DCI deals with the corps, not the parent company, so if they met the criteria, they could compete without breaking any rules or violating policies. Over the years that has happened. Churches, VFW groups, scouting organizations sponsored corps and withdrew sponsorship and some of those corps compete to this day. In the case of Cadets, they were once Holy Name Cadets, Boston Crusaders were MPB Crusaders (Most Precious Blood), Bridgemen were once St. Andrew’s Bridgemen. If the parent organization disbands the corps, that’s a different matter. IC Reveries seniors were disbanded after the sit down strike and 27th Lancers came to be. It would also be a different matter if staff decided to break away from a parent organization and begin a new corps. 

I don't think it's as simple as having a different EIN. YEA filed their 990 with EIN 22-2052456 and listed Cadets revenue and expenses. They may be a program of YEA, but they are very much YEA.

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14 minutes ago, Tim K said:

 A few things about parent organizations:

If you look at a church as an example, a church can often have its congregation, but may also run a daycare, school, after school program, food pantry, etc. Chances are the school, daycare, food pantry, and other entities have separate tax ID numbers, which make them separate legal entities though the owner/parent is the church. This allows for some flexibility. Let’s just say the church can no longer afford to run one of the entities, it can be spun off. In the case of a school, this would be a huge advantage because it does not lose accreditation. In the case of YEA, US Bands and Cadets most likely have separate tax ID numbers. YEA can sell US Bands, it could spin off Cadets. If YEA decided to no longer sponsor Cadets, they would still be a drum corps. DCI deals with the corps, not the parent company, so if they met the criteria, they could compete without breaking any rules or violating policies. Over the years that has happened. Churches, VFW groups, scouting organizations sponsored corps and withdrew sponsorship and some of those corps compete to this day. In the case of Cadets, they were once Holy Name Cadets, Boston Crusaders were MPB Crusaders (Most Precious Blood), Bridgemen were once St. Andrew’s Bridgemen. If the parent organization disbands the corps, that’s a different matter. IC Reveries seniors were disbanded after the sit down strike and 27th Lancers came to be. It would also be a different matter if staff decided to break away from a parent organization and begin a new corps. 

YEA! is not a typical parent organization. 

- Usually, parents create children, not the other way around.  In this case, YEA! was created over 50 years after the Cadets.

- Both parent and child were run by the same person for almost their entire time of coexistence.

- From the perspective of DCI, a member corps is a member corps.  The non-profit entity or parent org is just another limb of that same body.  

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Patience is truly virtuous....unless you're a drum corps fan ..lol....I'm just pleased that the Cadets appear to be recovering from 3+ years of meandering mediocrity...many on here are knowledgeable about financials, so I leave that area of expertise to them..for me, I just want to see the Cadets represent the tradition east coast drum is famous for...peace

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9 minutes ago, 2000Cadet said:

Frankly, it really doesn't matter on this site WHAT information is presented. People will still believe what they want to believe. Facts do not matter in the 21st century. 

Agree to a point... the pro side has presented what they have seen at camps and info that they somehow “know” but everyone will have to wait for it officially. The anti side has been saying stuff and nothing backing that up either

Until I see anything from corps management or DCI it’s just two sides saying “trust me”. 

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3 minutes ago, JimF-LowBari said:

Agree to a point... the pro side has presented what they have seen at camps and info that they somehow “know” but everyone will have to wait for it officially. The anti side has been saying stuff and nothing backing that up either

Until I see anything from corps management or DCI it’s just two sides saying “trust me”. 

Exactly. 

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9 minutes ago, cixelsyd said:

YEA! is not a typical parent organization. 

- Usually, parents create children, not the other way around.  In this case, YEA! was created over 50 years after the Cadets.

- Both parent and child were run by the same person for almost their entire time of coexistence.

- From the perspective of DCI, a member corps is a member corps.  The non-profit entity or parent org is just another limb of that same body.  

I think this depends on  exactly how YEA was/is structured.

YEA was created well after the Cadets were founded.

The question is,when YEA was created,how did they incorporate the Cadets.

The Cadets did "operate" under the YEA moniker.

They used to be announced as "sponsored by YEA".If that is accurate,they  were no longer 

acting independently,but as,for lack of a better word,a "division" of YEA.

The relationship was/is ,to say the least,a bit murky.

How DCI  looks at this is one thing.

What's much more important is how this plays out in the legal system.

 

 

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