garfield Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 11 hours ago, lifeisaround said: Sooooo quick question, when the cadets separate does their debt follow?!? Because the 67K they owe dci should be accounted for plus the amount of other stuff they owe.... they need to be held accountable for all of this! Who owes DCI $67,000? Cadets, the now stand-alone drum corps, or YEA!, the parent corp that just spit them out? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garfield Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 10 hours ago, MikeD said: How would anyone here know the answer to that today? Also, as there are a bunch of professionals involved with this process, financial, legal, etc...don't you think that they will do what is necessary. Also, DCI is involved with all of this as well, so whatever happens I would guess they are part of the process. Those are the people who matter in creating this new organization. I'm presuming this is true. And, based on that presumption, it's a slam-dunk-correct presumption that the current group of leaders are not going to let the $67m mistakes of the past take the Cadets organization down. It simply won't happen. First step, separate the entity. Most likely all debt incurred was done under the YEA! banner, not the drum corps specifically, and yes, even when the same person was signing. Sorry, Mike, not at you. Once I got started... ugh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garfield Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 Once the drum corps is sliced off, YEA! can collapse and not take down the corps. The Cadets then start fresh and run a responsible million dollar drum corps like nearly all the rest, compete, win, and give a great experience. Just like SOOOOO many others in this activity. The corps has to show earnest ability and capacity to generate and pay out for costs to tour, just like every other corps on tour. Some say they'll have to put on - I say keep on - their adult pants and do like every other corps - find a way to survive, grow, and prosper. Here's a line: "Pfft... This... pfft... is the business... pfft... that we've chosen." We don't need to sit here and prod them, they know the tasks at hand better than almost anyone here. So many GREAT EDs sit behind the DCP wall of anonymity, right? Someone here took a cheap shot at calling the directors and leadership of DCI incompetent, while they sit behind a screen and lob crap at a serious discussion board. I give those brave enough to have broken this narcissist from the activity much more credit than to think they haven't thought four steps ahead of nearly all of us behind these anonymous keyboards. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garfield Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 Hey George, is my presumption correct that you, as the OP, wish to keep this topic on the 2020 Cadets drum corps and not the travails of YEA!? Except, I suppose to the extent that those events affect the drum corps? With the other thread now started, I'd like some clarity. I, personally, would vote to keep this thread on the corps and let the other argue about YEA! and what becomes of it. Thanks 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fsthnds Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 1 hour ago, garfield said: I'm presuming this is true. And, based on that presumption, it's a slam-dunk-correct presumption that the current group of leaders are not going to let the $67m mistakes of the past take the Cadets organization down. It simply won't happen. First step, separate the entity. Most likely all debt incurred was done under the YEA! banner, not the drum corps specifically, and yes, even when the same person was signing. Sorry, Mike, not at you. Once I got started... ugh. Yes, the $67,000 quoted is what Cadets or YEA owe DCI for other corps appearance fees from the shows they hosted in 2019. There is also a large unpaid bill for the use of Met Life Stadium in 2019 (both US Bands and Cadets shows) that is why the show site on the 2020 schedule is listed as TBD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post George Dixon Posted February 17, 2020 Author Popular Post Share Posted February 17, 2020 51 minutes ago, garfield said: Hey George, is my presumption correct that you, as the OP, wish to keep this topic on the 2020 Cadets drum corps and not the travails of YEA!? Except, I suppose to the extent that those events affect the drum corps? With the other thread now started, I'd like some clarity. I, personally, would vote to keep this thread on the corps and let the other argue about YEA! and what becomes of it. Thanks I don't care either way & I'm not a mod. There was just a ton of conversation already in this thread about the YEA! changes PRIOR to the "other thread" so it seemed a bit misguided Additionally I would like to make another point: I certainly hope (and assume) that 95% or greater of the folks posting in EITHER thread want nothing but the best for the Cadets. However, it's a bit important to be realistic - there are a small number of folks posting either aligned with GH or the folks that led the corps in 2018 & 2019. All are entitled to their perspective - however it would be GREAT if everyone was just honest with their feelings or "agenda" -- and here is where the discussion is lacking. DCP allows anonymity - which is fine. We thought a great deal about requiring users to display their real name when I first formed DCP and decided against it - but the nature of RAMD at that time made me (us) heavily consider it. However I felt it was necessary to allow - due to value of letting someone share their perspective privately in certain situations. This is akin to allowing an assault victim or witness to share information or allegations privately in police/court cases - such as a "crime tip" It's interesting now since we have (at least) 1 of the GH victims posting here. A wonderful perspective to be shared. Of great value IMO However - we also have "friends" of GH (there's a group of folks aligned with GH who believe, to this day, that "a group of cranky alumni used allegations to "steal away" the Cadets from GH Hard to believe - but these folks exist. Quite sad and alarming. So - several of that group are also posting here Then the past two years - there's a couple (one quite vocal) who clearly are aligned (friends?) with the folks leading the corps in 2018/2019. That I have a bit more (personal) sympathy for. Those were hard working and very well meaning individuals. However, mistakes were made (some more than once) in that the organization "under-delivered" and over-promised in my view. Most concern mistakes (member housing, show design decisions and over-spending) weren't just made ONCE they were made twice So - another agenda being "shared" behind anonymous screen names. So - my advice is "reader beware" Anyone with a noodle realizes a few things about the Cadets right now: 1. They are in clear "rebuilding mode" - both fiscally & competitively 2. Currently the Cadets are a mid-finalist type corps (10th-6th range) - competitive success, great member experience and great show design will result in more auditioneers next winter and beyond 3. Cadets corps isn't "full" YET. Percussion is reported to be in good shape. A "few" additional brass spots remain. Guard tryouts are underway vs. video and happen in April. But they'll be full in May and perhaps a bit younger than recently. Young is a risk, but the tour is well-built to max out a younger corps. It allows for more basics & more ensemble time 4. In the activity we need the Cadets - folks mention the "10 world championships" while ignoring the time/role prior to the combine & pre-DCI. Let's be positive, be hopeful and be a bit patient. I believe in the team leading the corps NOW. And I believe in the corps' legacy. It will get there! The work-ethic of the corps and these people will serve them well Those posting anonymously - just be HONEST about your perspective. If you believe in GH - say so. If you wish Scott was still running the corps - announce that. Everyone is entitled to share their perspective - but please, be honest about it! Finally - Garfield - thanks as always for your thoughtful, calm posts. I always enjoy and gain something from reading them! Thanks, George. 5 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garfield Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 30 minutes ago, fsthnds said: Yes, the $67,000 quoted is what Cadets or YEA owe DCI for other corps appearance fees from the shows they hosted in 2019. There is also a large unpaid bill for the use of Met Life Stadium in 2019 (both US Bands and Cadets shows) that is why the show site on the 2020 schedule is listed as TBD. You missed the point. Do the Cadets own the debt, or does YEA!? YEA! spun off Cadets to their own org; if anyone has any direct knowledge of how much debt went with them, please add. It is also safe to say that the Cadets corps will carry their debt to DCI because it is the corps that DCI can prevent from the tour if they aren't paid. DCI can also make arrangements of their own for repayment. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fsthnds Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 1 minute ago, garfield said: You missed the point. Do the Cadets own the debt, or does YEA!? YEA! spun off Cadets to their own org; if anyone has any direct knowledge of how much debt went with them, please add. It is also safe to say that the Cadets corps will carry their debt to DCI because it is the corps that DCI can prevent from the tour if they aren't paid. DCI can also make arrangements of their own for repayment. My point was did Cadets sign a contract to sponsor the shows or was it YEA? Which is what you also were asking. From a DCI standpoint if it is owed by the Cadets then the amount due could easily be witheld from 2020 appearance fees for the Cadets. Not every show is sponsored by a DCI corps. I believe the debt restructuring is still TBD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpbobcat Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 3 hours ago, garfield said: Once the drum corps is sliced off, YEA! can collapse and not take down the corps. The Cadets then start fresh and run a responsible million dollar drum corps like nearly all the rest, compete, win, and give a great experience. Not necessarily. YEA/the Cadets can come up with any mechanism they want, to split. But,if their creditors don't agree,and they end up in a bankruptcy court, a judge will decide what happens. Where it can get really tricky is if it is found YEA split off the Cadets,"debt free",knowing the parent organization would,most likely ,fold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Ream Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 1 hour ago, garfield said: You missed the point. Do the Cadets own the debt, or does YEA!? YEA! spun off Cadets to their own org; if anyone has any direct knowledge of how much debt went with them, please add. It is also safe to say that the Cadets corps will carry their debt to DCI because it is the corps that DCI can prevent from the tour if they aren't paid. DCI can also make arrangements of their own for repayment. Ask on the webinar Thursday 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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