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10 minutes ago, George Dixon said:

Or just have a corps filled with 70% ring chasers each season. 

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1 hour ago, IllianaLancerContra said:

True.  But w/ ticks the casual fan could tell if a Corps was having a good run or not.  Not so anymore - only Big Expert Judge is qualified to tell the difference.

No because every judge had different tolerances led to many heatedly debates results 

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22 minutes ago, Ghost said:

Now, where have we read that comment before and by whom?

Myself dozens of times. I know a lot of people that marched there in the glory years that on talent alone wouldn’t have made several other name corps of the era 

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10 minutes ago, Jeff Ream said:

Myself dozens of times. I know a lot of people that marched there in the glory years that on talent alone wouldn’t have made several other name corps of the era 

I was one of them. 

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7 hours ago, Jeff Ream said:

They’ve never had the top talent. They’ve always had the best work ethic 

This statement is incomplete.  Yes they worked hard.  But those glory years also had the absolute best teachers and creators.  

Hard work is meaningless without the instruction to properly guide it and the design to let it shine.  

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4 hours ago, IllianaLancerContra said:

True.  But w/ ticks the casual fan could tell if a Corps was having a good run or not.  Not so anymore - only Big Expert Judge is qualified to tell the difference.

If I was judging drums, for example....

I might be in front of the snares during a particular spot in the show. I could hear the tenors, but I was not in a spot where I could fairly evaluate them. They could be making all sorts of errors, but I could not tick them....ditto basses, timps, mallets, cymbals. You had to be in position, so the judge naturally missed a lot. Also, if I as judge decided a "thing" should be recorded as a tick...was it one tick or a group tick. If a group tick, how many? So many variables to consider.

I could tell by listening if a timpani section was playing in tune with the brass, but if they were not...how could I tick it? I recall judging a show in the Garden State Circuit in the mid/late 70's, and I could see a timpani section cranking their drums all through the show...but the pitch never changed...I noted it on my sheet in the Analysis area. I later asked the instructor what the point was of all the cranking, as it was obvious the timpani pitches stayed the same. He told me that I was the first to note it, and he had gotten all sorts of positive comments on his players "tuning", even though he had disconnected the crank. A lot of older drum judges had no idea how to judge timpani or mallets, and the tick sheets were not really set up to do so very well.

 

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2 hours ago, MikeD said:

If I was judging drums, for example....

I might be in front of the snares during a particular spot in the show. I could hear the tenors, but I was not in a spot where I could fairly evaluate them. They could be making all sorts of errors, but I could not tick them....ditto basses, timps, mallets, cymbals. You had to be in position, so the judge naturally missed a lot. Also, if I as judge decided a "thing" should be recorded as a tick...was it one tick or a group tick. If a group tick, how many? So many variables to consider.

I could tell by listening if a timpani section was playing in tune with the brass, but if they were not...how could I tick it? I recall judging a show in the Garden State Circuit in the mid/late 70's, and I could see a timpani section cranking their drums all through the show...but the pitch never changed...I noted it on my sheet in the Analysis area. I later asked the instructor what the point was of all the cranking, as it was obvious the timpani pitches stayed the same. He told me that I was the first to note it, and he had gotten all sorts of positive comments on his players "tuning", even though he had disconnected the crank. A lot of older drum judges had no idea how to judge timpani or mallets, and the tick sheets were not really set up to do so very well.

 

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50 minutes ago, dans said:

Had a great day with the Cadets yesterday. There is huge difference between the perception created by DCP and what is actually happening with the Cadets.

I'm SHOCKED!! 

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