chris ncsu Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 8 minutes ago, Sideways said: I would still take SCV 1997 over either Cadets or BD. That show had the emotional edge of a true champion. A wonderful show, too. That ending!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajlemm Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 1 hour ago, Mello Dude said: 2007 Phantom Regiment was at another level compared to everyone else that night. They should have won hands down IMHO. LOVE that show sooooo much! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Dixon Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 1 hour ago, chris ncsu said: What do I know, but hey I get to be king, so... Here's what I'd change: Cadets/Cavaliers Tie in 1992 -- The only knock I have about Cadets at finals was the tuning. And they were given a brass score reflecting that. Other than that, a perfect guard, a wonderful drumline, and a level of GE that was really amazing -- all great reasons to tie a Cavies corps with wonderful battery writing and a really solid program (especially the opener and closer).. 2000 or 92? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeN Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 Ok, I'll get opinionated. 😄 1987 - Cadets. Waaay more sophisticated than SCV. 1988 - Blue Devils. Madison had a legendary closer, but BD brought a full show's worth of highlights. 1989 - Phantom Regiment. Felt like the fix was in, no matter how ragged SCVs performance was. 1990 - Cadets. However, Star really felt like the breakout corps against some pretty "typical" corps fare above them. 1991 - Star of Indiana. Can't argue. 1992 - Cavaliers. That visual program just killed everyone else. 1993 - Star of Indiana. Cadets were good. Star was revolutionary. And good. 1994 - Blue Devils. Peak BD for me. Still waiting for them to have as good a program. 1995 - Cavaliers. Their music *and* visual program just killed everyone else. 1996 - Phantom Regiment - heart beats head, at least this year. It would be decades before a finals performance brought this much passion. 1997 - Blue Devils. By a hair over the Cadets. 1998 - Blue Devils. One Hand One Heart just felt like a championship show from top to bottom, and they nailed it. 1999 - Blue Devils. Showed SCV and BD to a non-corps fan once, and they said BD just crushed SCV; that BD performed like they knew they'd already won. 2000 - Cadets. Peak Cadets for me. Awesome show with no weaknesses. 2001 - Cavaliers. Their visual was head and shoulders above. Not sure why this one gets so little love. 2002 - Blue Devils. With the benefit of hindsight, BD was better in music than the Cavaliers were in visual. 2003 - Cavaliers. As awesome as BD's opener was, the rest of the show is meh. Cavaliers took their visual program to a whole new level. 2004 - Cavaliers. It shouldn't have worked, but it did. BD's show was a bit of a mess design-wise, but you can see them working out the kinks. 2005 - Cadets. Can't argue. Deservedly legendary. 2006 - Phantom Regiment. Cavaliers deserve all the visual credit, but their music book was one of the worst designed championship shows I've seen. Phantom nailed it start to finish. 2007 - The Cadets. Don't want to give them credit for the narration... but fine, home-stadium advantage pipped them here. 2008 - Phantom Regiment. I was there. Not sure it should have been even as close as it was. 2009 - Blue Devils. For all the Crown love, there's only about 90 seconds where they just crush it. Not enough to beat BD. 2010 - Cavaliers. Mad World's music book was head and shoulders above BD's. Cavs "what they played" was better than BD's "how they played it." 2011 - Cavaliers. They had it all that year, and while Cadets had a deservedly Hall of Fame visual book, their music wasn't on par with everyone else. 2012 - Carolina Crown. They had it all. BD... again, I'm not buying what they're selling. 2013 - Carolina Crown. Manages to just hammer home the musical tribute to modern composition. 2014 - Blue Devils. When BD manages to marry audience-favorite music and visual with their obsessive attention to detail, they're unstoppable. 2015 - Carolina Crown. Dirty show or not, their drums got a bit unfairly maligned. 2016 - Bluecoats. They probably should have added a Box 6 for the GE. 2017 - Blue Devils. I wanted SCV to win with their otherworldly music and visual, but BD, like in 2014, combined friendly music and movement with their cleanliness... 2018 - Santa Clara Vanguard. Babylon is a friggin' delight. End of story. 2019 - Bluecoats. No way no how BD, for as great as their music was this year, was in the same box as Bluecoats for GE. Mike 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Dixon Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 11 minutes ago, MikeN said: Ok, I'll get opinionated. 😄 1987 - Cadets. Waaay more sophisticated than SCV. 1988 - Blue Devils. Madison had a legendary closer, but BD brought a full show's worth of highlights. 1989 - Phantom Regiment. Felt like the fix was in, no matter how ragged SCVs performance was. 1990 - Cadets. However, Star really felt like the breakout corps against some pretty "typical" corps fare above them. 1991 - Star of Indiana. Can't argue. 1992 - Cavaliers. That visual program just killed everyone else. 1993 - Star of Indiana. Cadets were good. Star was revolutionary. And good. 1994 - Blue Devils. Peak BD for me. Still waiting for them to have as good a program. 1995 - Cavaliers. Their music *and* visual program just killed everyone else. 1996 - Phantom Regiment - heart beats head, at least this year. It would be decades before a finals performance brought this much passion. 1997 - Blue Devils. By a hair over the Cadets. 1998 - Blue Devils. One Hand One Heart just felt like a championship show from top to bottom, and they nailed it. 1999 - Blue Devils. Showed SCV and BD to a non-corps fan once, and they said BD just crushed SCV; that BD performed like they knew they'd already won. 2000 - Cadets. Peak Cadets for me. Awesome show with no weaknesses. 2001 - Cavaliers. Their visual was head and shoulders above. Not sure why this one gets so little love. 2002 - Blue Devils. With the benefit of hindsight, BD was better in music than the Cavaliers were in visual. 2003 - Cavaliers. As awesome as BD's opener was, the rest of the show is meh. Cavaliers took their visual program to a whole new level. 2004 - Cavaliers. It shouldn't have worked, but it did. BD's show was a bit of a mess design-wise, but you can see them working out the kinks. 2005 - Cadets. Can't argue. Deservedly legendary. 2006 - Phantom Regiment. Cavaliers deserve all the visual credit, but their music book was one of the worst designed championship shows I've seen. Phantom nailed it start to finish. 2007 - The Cadets. Don't want to give them credit for the narration... but fine, home-stadium advantage pipped them here. 2008 - Phantom Regiment. I was there. Not sure it should have been even as close as it was. 2009 - Blue Devils. For all the Crown love, there's only about 90 seconds where they just crush it. Not enough to beat BD. 2010 - Cavaliers. Mad World's music book was head and shoulders above BD's. Cavs "what they played" was better than BD's "how they played it." 2011 - Cavaliers. They had it all that year, and while Cadets had a deservedly Hall of Fame visual book, their music wasn't on par with everyone else. 2012 - Carolina Crown. They had it all. BD... again, I'm not buying what they're selling. 2013 - Carolina Crown. Manages to just hammer home the musical tribute to modern composition. 2014 - Blue Devils. When BD manages to marry audience-favorite music and visual with their obsessive attention to detail, they're unstoppable. 2015 - Carolina Crown. Dirty show or not, their drums got a bit unfairly maligned. 2016 - Bluecoats. They probably should have added a Box 6 for the GE. 2017 - Blue Devils. I wanted SCV to win with their otherworldly music and visual, but BD, like in 2014, combined friendly music and movement with their cleanliness... 2018 - Santa Clara Vanguard. Babylon is a friggin' delight. End of story. 2019 - Bluecoats. No way no how BD, for as great as their music was this year, was in the same box as Bluecoats for GE. Mike man me and you almost 100% - only difference is 2015 & I get why folks loved Crown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cappybara Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 (edited) BD certainly would have many fewer championships if you all were judges Edited September 3, 2019 by Cappybara 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.E. Brigand Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 41 minutes ago, MikeN said: 1988 - Blue Devils. Madison had a legendary closer, but BD brought a full show's worth of highlights. To be fair, that closer was more than five minutes long and constituted nearly half of their show. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwillis35 Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 So if I am KING, then I have Bluecoats winning in 2016, 2017, 2018, and 2019. Four-Peat!!! Everyone cool with that? Ok, just kidding (with tons of respect to SCV and BD). In reality the ones I would change are (but it's a close call with all of these) 1980 - 27th Lancers over BD 1989 - Phantom Regiment over SCV by a whisker 1993 - Star of Indiana over Cadets 1995 - Cadets over Cavaliers, with BD in 2nd 1996 - Phantom Regiment only 1999 - BD only 2000 - Cadets only 2007 - Cadets (even with the narration, I had them winning) 2012 - Carolina Crown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mello Dude Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 1995 Madison. Their GE as well as their visual should have won that year IMHO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris ncsu Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 1 hour ago, George Dixon said: 2000 or 92? I meant that they should have tied in 1992. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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