greg_orangecounty Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 11 hours ago, IllianaLancerContra said: As I understand it, 1977 Bridgemen never had an overage member on the field. They had several long-time members that year who turned 22 while on tour, and the Corps had alternates ready to put in the day they turned 22. Apparently DCI was checking age at some early show & that was how it all started. This is why the rules now say 'you have to be 21 on x date to be eligible to march that season' As a side note.......ask someone who marched with Bayonne in 1977 how they feel about a certain corps from the mid-west who they feel ratted them out to DCI. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HockeyDad Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 33 minutes ago, greg_orangecounty said: As a side note.......ask someone who marched with Bayonne in 1977 how they feel about a certain corps from the mid-west who they feel ratted them out to DCI. It’s not Cavies fault Bayonne didn’t follow the rules. And if Bayonne DID follow the rules as I’ve seen others say, it’s not Cavies fault DCI disqualified them. Don’t hate the player, hate the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xandandl Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 The list of overage delinquents (SCV, Muchachos, Auburn, Crossmen, Bayonne and those not caught) comes with many nuances and motivations (some deliberate, some perhaps not known.) I remember challenging one director and his priest moderator of a corps which, although quite competent, never did compete in DCI as they admitted they had overage members. "Keeping the 'kids' off the angry city streets in the late '60's and early '70's" was the excuse and rationale I was given. They thought the penalties weren't as important. When the Bishop transferred the priest moderator to another parish, the corps switched names and sponsoring parishes to the priest's new parish. The unit soon died when the rest of the activity didn't buy exceptions for some but not for all. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Ream Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 51 minutes ago, greg_orangecounty said: As a side note.......ask someone who marched with Bayonne in 1977 how they feel about a certain corps from the mid-west who they feel ratted them out to DCI. or Muchachos about 75 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjoakes Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 Wouldn't think the issue is age as much as talent. Why bother with breaking the rules unless there is something (wildly?) superior about an over-age performer. And if that's true, seems like a lot of band/corps/music ed insiders probably know the person. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fran Haring Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 25 minutes ago, HockeyDad said: It’s not Cavies fault Bayonne didn’t follow the rules. And if Bayonne DID follow the rules as I’ve seen others say, it’s not Cavies fault DCI disqualified them. Don’t hate the player, hate the game. I don't think it was the Cavies in this case. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cixelsyd Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 13 minutes ago, xandandl said: The list of overage delinquents (SCV, Muchachos, Auburn, Crossmen, Bayonne and those not caught) Auburn? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HockeyDad Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 37 minutes ago, Fran Haring said: I don't think it was the Cavies in this case. I thought it was. No reason to be coy about it though. So maybe it was Phantom. My point is that it doesn’t matter who it was. The problem was with Bridgemen, not those who reported them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAZZER Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 3 hours ago, mjoakes said: Wouldn't think the issue is age as much as talent. Why bother with breaking the rules unless there is something (wildly?) superior about an over-age performer. And if that's true, seems like a lot of band/corps/music ed insiders probably know the person. Exactly. Talent. Imagine if you designed significant portions of a show around a couple OOTW soloists, to capture valuable MusGE etc advantage. Or even a couple of featured Dancers. Agree that persons with this level of chops would have some notoriety Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
84BDsop Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 5 hours ago, xandandl said: The list of overage delinquents (SCV, Muchachos, Auburn, Crossmen, Bayonne and those not caught) comes with many nuances and motivations (some deliberate, some perhaps not known.) I remember challenging one director and his priest moderator of a corps which, although quite competent, never did compete in DCI as they admitted they had overage members. "Keeping the 'kids' off the angry city streets in the late '60's and early '70's" was the excuse and rationale I was given. They thought the penalties weren't as important. When the Bishop transferred the priest moderator to another parish, the corps switched names and sponsoring parishes to the priest's new parish. The unit soon died when the rest of the activity didn't buy exceptions for some but not for all. In the case of 89 SCV, it was fraud by the overage members...forged documents that fooled everyone (including US authorities). As soon as Gail found out, they were gone. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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