Year Fiver Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 6 minutes ago, Glenn426 said: Manufacturers have not been able to solve the problems that I brought up, that's my point. Outdoor use pit equipment has only just become available in the past few years, and it's prohibitively expensive and still requires having one set for rehearsal and one normal set for performances, which is not only a large up-fron cost for corps, but also requires extra storage space. Marching-grade trombones are not widely available yet, and neither are drum corps-grade amps. Allowing woodwinds isn't going to push brands to cater to the drum corps "market" unless there is also a market which benefits the wider marching community, and the fact of the matter is that other marching units which contain woodwinds are not incentive enough; they either perform/rehearse indoors exclusively, they only perform/rehearse for a few hours at a time a few times a week, and/or their membership/directors are not interested in owning instruments that are made for marching when their concert equivalents which are more widely applicable for musical ensembles will suffice. If I recall correctly, the horn doctors that help DCI are largely volunteers. However anybody running a mobile instrument repair unit should actually be certified in instrument repair, which I have been told is an incredibly challenging certification to obtain, due to the high cost of tuition and the extremely limited number of programs in the US. And the majority of people who are properly and certifiably skilled aren't interested in running a mobile shop or necessarily working with drum corps. The queues to have a horn repaired by a horn doctor (if one is present at a show, since it's a fairly rare occurrence overall) get pretty long and ultimately require somebody from admin (and a vehicle) staying behind to be able to pick up the horn when it's ready; you only go to the horn doctor when you absolutely have to, and a dented bell or a broken water key is not a good enough reason to justify the logistical burden. Likewise, the hypothetical existence of woodwind doctors doesn't negate any of the other problems inherent to woodwind instruments, for example their higher susceptibility to being damaged than marching brass. For corps who would own their woodwinds, this means not only the upfront cost of purchasing the instruments, but also the ongoing costs of maintaining them, which is so much higher than the ongoing costs associated with marching brass. I already acknowledged that there's no rule preventing corps from allowing their students to bring their own horns, when I said that I've known people who have just done that within DCA and Soundsport. I listed what would stop a student from doing just that (or a parent from allowing their student to do that), but what would stop DCI corps is their own best interests, ie: 13 minutes ago, JimF-LowBari said: If the horn of a different manufacturer it wouldn’t blend too well with the other instruments of that type. One of my alumni type corps took years to make sure each voice is on marching horns. Made a difference that even my untrained ear am an pick up Like I also said before, DCI strives for a certain standard of musicality and performance, and having a line of matching horn makes/models is hugely beneficial for not only sound quality and visual aesthetics, but also for musical and visual pedagogy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Ream Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 2 hours ago, Glenn426 said: Now I know the norm is for the Corps to provide instruments, What would stop that kid from marching his own horn for the summer? mom and dad and liability fights over damage 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Ream Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 2 hours ago, Glenn426 said: And you're not I would imagine a Circus enthusiast. Like myself. We just enjoy entertainment. Whether that Trapeze artist is using the correct technique or not, it doesnt affect my entertainment. We paid the money to be entertained and they used whatever tool available to them to achieve that. I think the smartest of people within DCI want to inch their way towards this model. Where the DCI fan is not just a Marching band Mom, an alumnus of a Corps, or a HS Band kid taking a break from Band Camp, but just a person that enjoys quality entertainment. we are band, not a Vegas production. to reach Cirque levels, budgets would explode Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Ream Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 2 hours ago, cixelsyd said: If they just want to entertain, then they should open up their BoD meetings to the public. Especially this week. Flo would freeze for sure! 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimF-LowBari Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Jeff Ream said: mom and dad and liability fights over damage Lmao just remembered when HS instrument guy opened the back door of the van and a trumpet fell out when he backed up. Ran right over the valves and poor student had a U shaped horn. No idea how that was worked out as his horn had seen better days before the customizing. Sister (9 years younger) used my first trombone in mb. Had no finish left by time she was done but that didn’t affect the sound (looked like #### which was part of it’s image, she called it Fang) Edited January 6, 2020 by JimF-LowBari 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KVG_DC Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 14 minutes ago, Jeff Ream said: Flo would freeze for sure! More Rocket Mortgage ads! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terri Schehr Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 10 minutes ago, JimF-LowBari said: Lmao just remembered when HS instrument guy opened the back door of the van and a trumpet fell out when he backed up. Ran right over the valves and poor student had a U shaped horn. No idea how that was worked out as his horn had seen better days before the customizing. Sister (9 years younger) used my first trombone in mb. Had no finish left by time she was done but that didn’t affect the sound (looked like #### which was part of it’s image, she called it Fang) I just had a flashback of when someone stepped on the bell of my brand new horn in concert band. I was inconsolable. It was under my chair. The moron is lucky to be alive. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terri Schehr Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 Just now, KVG_DC said: More Rocket Mortgage ads! And the porn music. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KVG_DC Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 2 minutes ago, Terri Schehr said: And the porn music. DUH DUH. Da da da da DUH DUH. Duh. Duh. DUH DUH. DUH DUH. Da da da da DUH DUH. Duh. Duh. DUH DUH. DUH DUH. Da da da da DUH DUH. Duh. Duh. DUH DUH. DUH DUH. Da da da da DUH DUH. Duh. Duh. DUH DUH. DUH DUH. Da da da da DUH DUH. Duh. Duh. DUH DUH. DUH DUH. Da da da da DUH DUH. Duh. Duh. DUH DUH. DUH DUH. Da da da da DUH DUH. Duh. Duh. DUH DUH. DUH DUH. Da da da da DUH DUH. Duh. Duh. DUH DUH. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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