Year Fiver Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 Just now, MikeD said: If those who vote believe as you do, they can vote “no”. It has happened before. Yes. My point was that there's rationale for somebody with voting power to not want to pass the proposal as a rule. Considering the original question was 1 hour ago, exitmusic said: So, why not just make it all legal and let the market decide? , I was operating within the logical premise of the original question. None of us have the ability to "make it legal" (nor does any individual really, since this is a collective vote among a few dozen corps). If anything, you can reformulate this discussion as "why [would voting corps] not just make it all legal and let [individual corps] decide [whether to expand their operations within the bounds of the new rule]?" and "because [reasons why voting corps would not want to make it all legal]." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cixelsyd Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 3 hours ago, exitmusic said: You are right! And I am also right! So, why not just make it all legal and let the market decide? The market has already decided. That decision is manifest in the fact that after nearly 100 years of organized marching music field competition with drum corps and marching band in parallel, that the only circuit to generate enough audience and participant support to create a lasting tour model of nationwide, summer-long scope is a drum corps circuit, not a marching band circuit. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2muchcoffeeman Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 Among the more cogent arguments I've heard so far: If this passes, the next necessary step is to increase the size of the units -- say, a 200-member limit. So what happens then is that 4 or 5 of the top corps bring on 20 or so exceptional WWs, park them on an island with the necessary microphones, then load up on an extra 30 brass just because Hey Let's Own Music GE and MA. That's +/- 150 brass players that never will audition at any of the lower-ranking corps. Result: Greater concentration at the top. Lesser talent at the bottom. Greater stress on the overall activity. It's G7 under a different, less honest, guise. 4 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quad Aces Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, cixelsyd said: The market has already decided. That decision is manifest in the fact that after nearly 100 years of organized marching music field competition with drum corps and marching band in parallel, that the only circuit to generate enough audience and participant support to create a lasting tour model of nationwide, summer-long scope is a drum corps circuit, not a marching band circuit. Not exactly a fair point. The Summer-long, nationwide marching band circuit has never been attempted. The original MBA Summer Championships was not nationwide nor Summer-long. No other example to compare against. Just becuause something has never been attempted doesn’t equate to the market has decided. Edited January 8, 2020 by Quad Aces Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.E. Brigand Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 8 hours ago, Jeff Ream said: i think it's legit within their rules Sometimes the best approach is for people just to admit that they were wrong and back down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Ream Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 2 hours ago, N.E. Brigand said: Sometimes the best approach is for people just to admit that they were wrong and back down. This is dci there’s no room for logic 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drumcorpsfever Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 (edited) DCI was forced to jump the shark when the evolution of electronics brought any voice imaginable to the field of competition. So why not invite the real musicians instead of piped in synthetic sounds? Reality is, the train is coming down the tracks and can’t be stopped. They - the voting membership - can vote it down this week. It won’t really matter. It’s a matter of WHEN, not IF, woodwinds ever are adopted for drum corps. If WW are not trotting around the field; you will see them featured as non-traditional instruments are used. The challenge for drum corps’ survival is not the competition from other DCI corps. Rather, it will be from the ever-growing competition from local marching bands. If the line between drum corps and marching band disappears, can the activity continue to prosper by attracting enough prospective marching members who will be willing to give up their summers, commit to off-season travel, and pay thousands of dollars for something they can get from their local bands? Drum Corps used to be a league of its own. Not as much any more. Edited January 8, 2020 by drumcorpsfever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.E. Brigand Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 53 minutes ago, drumcorpsfever said: Reality is, the train is coming down the tracks and can’t be stopped. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cixelsyd Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 10 hours ago, Quad Aces said: Not exactly a fair point. The Summer-long, nationwide marching band circuit has never been attempted. The original MBA Summer Championships was not nationwide nor Summer-long. No other example to compare against. Just becuause something has never been attempted doesn’t equate to the market has decided. It has been attempted through the decades via national championships at VFW and American Legion, as well as tours by Summer Bands International and MACBDA. We have even seen several top-25 DCI corps convert to bands and participate in those tours. (I was not even thinking about MBA "Summer Nationals", since it was for scholastic bands. Besides, early June is not really summer anyway.) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Windish Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 Like vacation destinations, restaurants, special sports and entertainment events, people desire to experience what is NOT regularly available during their daily lives. They make additional efforts to consume through their direct attendance and purchases of related products, like audio and video. Re-making Drum Corps International into any other “marching band” collective, no matter how superior in quality, will lessen appeal. Yes, we do know, it is a marching band. But, THIS marching band brings something we don’t normally get to see everywhere we look. Hmmm. Tread carefully, DCI Directors. You have something special. Please keep it that way. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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