dbc03 Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 5 minutes ago, Jeff Ream said: Agreed. No women cried foul last summer when Crossmen told veteran guard members to go elsewhere so they could have an all female guard I know of at least one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 (edited) 16 minutes ago, dbc03 said: I know of at least one Good for you! Edited February 8, 2020 by Ghost 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slingerland Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 2 hours ago, dbc03 said: "Bad trumpet player" isn't a class of people that has been systematically discriminated against in our society, so I have no problem excluding bad trumpet players from drum corps. They are DEFINITELY a 'class of people' who have been discriminated against in drum corps. There's no way to argue otherwise. They are, in fact, the ONLY real group (along with bad drummers and bad guard people) who have been discriminated against BECAUSE OF WHAT THEY ARE - to wit, bad horn players. Drum corps says "we'll take you and you and you....but YOU, bad horn player, NO, you can't join." By definition, that is 'discrimination." 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimF-LowBari Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 1 minute ago, Slingerland said: They are DEFINITELY a 'class of people' who have been discriminated against in drum corps. There's no way to argue otherwise. They are, in fact, the ONLY real group (along with bad drummers and bad guard people) who have been discriminated against BECAUSE OF WHAT THEY ARE - to wit, bad horn players. Drum corps says "we'll take you and you and you....but YOU, bad horn player, NO, you can't join." By definition, that is 'discrimination." How about poor etc, etc..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slingerland Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 4 hours ago, JimF-LowBari said: How about poor etc, etc..... Most of the corps have some sort of scholarship or member assistance programs for kids who have the talent, but not the money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weaklefthand4ever Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 6 hours ago, Slingerland said: They are, in fact, the ONLY real group (along with bad drummers I resemble that remark.... My first audition, Spirit of Atlanta 1986 one of the comments that was made was "I have every confidence that you could play the book perfectly...if you weren't having to march while doing it." 🤣 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbc03 Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 7 hours ago, Slingerland said: They are DEFINITELY a 'class of people' who have been discriminated against in drum corps. There's no way to argue otherwise. They are, in fact, the ONLY real group (along with bad drummers and bad guard people) who have been discriminated against BECAUSE OF WHAT THEY ARE - to wit, bad horn players. Drum corps says "we'll take you and you and you....but YOU, bad horn player, NO, you can't join." By definition, that is 'discrimination." Ahh yes, you got me! Oh wait, no you didn't. First of all, I'll let you read the definition of discriminate: https://www.dictionary.com/browse/discriminate You'll see that differentiating based on merit is not discrimination. Second of all, you are intentionally making a bad faith argument and I will not engage you any further. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbc03 Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 7 hours ago, JimF-LowBari said: How about poor etc, etc..... The cost of the activity on the participants is a much bigger issue than The Cavaliers not allowing women. The activity is becoming more and more a rich kid's game. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Dixon Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 10 hours ago, Jeff Ream said: You built the place nothing should surprise you And sold it for a reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Dixon Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 12 hours ago, dbc03 said: You know very well that I wasn't equating male only drum corps with white nationalist groups because you read the second part of my post. They were specifically called out as extreme examples because your argument that all male drum corps are fine because people want them is flawed. Having a private organization wanting to be all male is NOT discrimination. Legally or otherwise. You lost the debate big time when you brought up white supremacy. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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