TwoValves Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 5 hours ago, Poppycock said: To mitigate risk expect the season to be cancelled. If that happens I would imagine all but maybe 3 or 4 corps would fold. DCI would be no more. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JustEnjoyIt Posted March 12, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted March 12, 2020 (edited) 7 hours ago, Tommeee said: This media-fueled hysteria is the biggest overreaction to anything I’ve ever seen in my lifetime. The reaction is just way out of line from anything we’ve seen before. This sucks and I’m beyond depressed with all this talk. The biggest overreaction? I wish the country where I'm living had've "overreacted". If they did, then the world wouldn't be going through what it currently is. Instead, things were covered up in an attempt to calm the public. Now we have a global pandemic. Let me give you a tale of two cities where I live - China. Wuhan has a population of 11 million people, with 68,000 cases and 3,000 deaths1 (per the entire province of Hubei). Though, I do highly suspect the deaths and cases are both far greater than what has been reported... as Italy is now approaching 1,000 deaths itself... but lets leave that discussion out. Shanghai - where I live - has a population of 25 million people, with less than 350 cases, and (as far as I know) less than 5 deaths. Wuhan's government initially tried to cover up that this existed. They did so for about a month, at least. This lead to it spreading, and now we see where it's at. Shanghai's government took the exact opposite approach. It basically completely shut down. Everything closed down at the very first sign of a case - all here in the economic center of the world's second largest economy. We've had to close entire districts - millions of people - due to one single case popping up. We've had to shut down everything and push everyone to stay at home for weeks and weeks. No restaurants, no stores, no going outside unless you are buying groceries. You get your temperature scanned before you go into any store, before you are allowed into your apartment community, before you enter your office area, before you enter your office itself. You get work documents that show records from your phone company that prove you've been remaining within a certain area. You get work documents tracking your temperature history over weeks. I can't even walk my dogs without wearing a mask (respirator) of some kind, they simply won't let you back in knowing you went out without one. Some of those things might also be taken as "overreaction", but it has kept my city from turning into what happened in Wuhan (which again, is less than half the size - so you can imagine what could have happened here). For those of you being critical of what these organizations are doing, you need to be THANKFUL that they are stepping up and doing this. That is being proactive. If you start being REACTIVE then that is when things are going to crumble, and quickly. If organizations do not step up as they are right now, then you might very well have to see what I've seen here with cities doing these "overreactions". Don't let it get to that point. Be happy that people are stepping up now before it gets to that point - because I can assure you it's not super fun. Additionally, these precautions are being taken to PREVENT the spread. Not just to keep someone from getting sick at the event, but to keep others that might not even have symptoms from spreading it to others. For those saying "OH but seasonal influenza kills many more people!" Yes, the seasonal flu has killed more people in the US so far this year. If this spreads to the same level that influenza has, then you will not like the numbers coming from it. The seasonal flu has a death rate of .1% (I believe this year it is actually .06%, but I may be wrong with that), and is uncontainable. Coronavirus has had a death rate of 3.4%2 (Just under 15% for those over the age of 80), and is still at a point where it can be contained - though that slips by daily. If these events (WGI, and many other expos and other events) do not step up as they have, then you would be spreading something with that death rate. Yes, it is primarily fatal in those who are older or immunocompromised, but we have seen young doctors dying here in China as well. We have seen young people dying all across the world. The virus can attach and linger on without any symptoms for at least two weeks3 - though it is expected it can survive even longer than two weeks (as a comparison, the seasonal flu has an incubation period of 2 to 4 days4). Going to one of those events, you can have it attach to you and then you walk out and spread it along without having a single clue of doing so. The numbers aren't as high as the seasonal flu, but now you see that it has the potential to be an absolute nightmare if it spreads - and it is much easier to spread than the seasonal flu. Let there be an overreaction so that the US does not become what China was, and what other nations are now becoming. Take the overreactions as a good thing. It's a luxury to look back and say "wow, that wasn't as bad as I expected it to be". Don't go out and panic, don't go and spread fear, but realize that this is absolutely something that needs to be combatted and have proactive measures taken against. It is very real, and hard decisions need to be made. Lastly, no the media is not going crazy with it - as was stated earlier in the thread. They have simply been reporting what is actually happening around the world with it. Sorry if I rambled a bit, but I do get a bit heated reading through this thread and seeing several people wanting to act as if this is not serious. If you fail to be proactive, you're not going to like where things go from here. Sources - So I can't be slapped with the sarcastic comments about suddenly being a specialist: 1: http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2020-03/11/c_138865315.htm (Note: Chinese English state-run news source, take that for what you will) 2: https://www.who.int/dg/speeches/detail/who-director-general-s-opening-remarks-at-the-media-briefing-on-covid-19---3-march-2020 (Also read the talks of how it can be contained, which precautions are needed to accomplish) 3: https://www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detail/q-a-coronaviruses 4: https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/influenza-(seasonal) Edited March 12, 2020 by JustEnjoyIt 6 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2000Cadet Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 1 hour ago, JustEnjoyIt said: The biggest overreaction? I wish the country where I'm living had've "overreacted". If they did, then the world wouldn't be going through what it currently is. Instead, things were covered up in an attempt to calm the public. Now we have a global pandemic. Let me give you a tale of two cities where I live - China. Wuhan has a population of 11 million people, with 68,000 cases and 3,000 deaths1 (per the entire province of Hubei). Though, I do highly suspect the deaths and cases are both far greater than what has been reported... as Italy is now approaching 1,000 deaths itself... but lets leave that discussion out. Shanghai - where I live - has a population of 25 million people, with less than 350 cases, and (as far as I know) less than 5 deaths. Wuhan's government initially tried to cover up that this existed. They did so for about a month, at least. This lead to it spreading, and now we see where it's at. Shanghai's government took the exact opposite approach. It basically completely shut down. Everything closed down at the very first sign of a case - all here in the economic center of the world's second largest economy. We've had to close entire districts - millions of people - due to one single case popping up. We've had to shut down everything and push everyone to stay at home for weeks and weeks. No restaurants, no stores, no going outside unless you are buying groceries. You get your temperature scanned before you go into any store, before you are allowed into your apartment community, before you enter your office area, before you enter your office itself. You get work documents that show records from your phone company that prove you've been remaining within a certain area. You get work documents tracking your temperature history over weeks. I can't even walk my dogs without wearing a mask (respirator) of some kind, they simply won't let you back in knowing you went out without one. Some of those things might also be taken as "overreaction", but it has kept my city from turning into what happened in Wuhan (which again, is less than half the size - so you can imagine what could have happened here). For those of you being critical of what these organizations are doing, you need to be THANKFUL that they are stepping up and doing this. That is being proactive. If you start being REACTIVE then that is when things are going to crumble, and quickly. If organizations do not step up as they are right now, then you might very well have to see what I've seen here with cities doing these "overreactions". Don't let it get to that point. Be happy that people are stepping up now before it gets to that point - because I can assure you it's not super fun. Additionally, these precautions are being taken to PREVENT the spread. Not just to keep someone from getting sick at the event, but to keep others that might not even have symptoms from spreading it to others. For those saying "OH but seasonal influenza kills many more people!" Yes, the seasonal flu has killed more people in the US so far this year. If this spreads to the same level that influenza has, then you will not like the numbers coming from it. The seasonal flu has a death rate of .1% (I believe this year it is actually .06%, but I may be wrong with that), and is uncontainable. Coronavirus has had a death rate of 3.4%2 (Just under 15% for those over the age of 80), and is still at a point where it can be contained - though that slips by daily. If these events (WGI, and many other expos and other events) do not step up as they have, then you would be spreading something with that death rate. Yes, it is primarily fatal in those who are older or immunocompromised, but we have seen young doctors dying here in China as well. We have seen young people dying all across the world. The virus can attach and linger on without any symptoms for at least two weeks3 - though it is expected it can survive even longer than two weeks (as a comparison, the seasonal flu has an incubation period of 2 to 4 days4). Going to one of those events, you can have it attach to you and then you walk out and spread it along without having a single clue of doing so. The numbers aren't as high as the seasonal flu, but now you see that it has the potential to be an absolute nightmare if it spreads - and it is much easier to spread than the seasonal flu. Let there be an overreaction so that the US does not become what China was, and what other nations are now becoming. Take the overreactions as a good thing. It's a luxury to look back and say "wow, that wasn't as bad as I expected it to be". Don't go out and panic, don't go and spread fear, but realize that this is absolutely something that needs to be combatted and have proactive measures taken against. It is very real, and hard decisions need to be made. Lastly, no the media is not going crazy with it - as was stated earlier in the thread. They have simply been reporting what is actually happening around the world with it. Sorry if I rambled a bit, but I do get a bit heated reading through this thread and seeing several people wanting to act as if this is not serious. If you fail to be proactive, you're not going to like where things go from here. Sources - So I can't be slapped with the sarcastic comments about suddenly being a specialist: 1: http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2020-03/11/c_138865315.htm (Note: Chinese English state-run news source, take that for what you will) 2: https://www.who.int/dg/speeches/detail/who-director-general-s-opening-remarks-at-the-media-briefing-on-covid-19---3-march-2020 (Also read the talks of how it can be contained, which precautions are needed to accomplish) 3: https://www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detail/q-a-coronaviruses 4: https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/influenza-(seasonal) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCVNVET Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 1 hour ago, JustEnjoyIt said: The biggest overreaction? I wish the country where I'm living had've "overreacted". If they did, then the world wouldn't be going through what it currently is. Instead, things were covered up in an attempt to calm the public. Now we have a global pandemic. Ni hau Ma JustEnjoyit xiexie for your taking the time to put together a heartfelt explanation of the situation at hand. One other poster pointed out that the citation you quoted made another poster look "foolish", that categorization was being kind! Loved the "Tale of two cities" analogy! Zai jian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keystone3ply Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 12 hours ago, Terri Schehr said: I hate to bring this up but if the season is cancelled, can DCI survive the blow financially? I would have to stay positive & think yes they can survive this crisis. I think they would have to utilize their line of credit as well as any financial relief via government low interest loans & other incentives to help with operating expenses, payroll, etc. Again, just me trying to say positive. I can't imagine my summer without drum corps performances. Totally selfish I know on my part, but I have plans to attend Detroit, Mid-West, ATL, & finals week in Indy. 😢 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keystone3ply Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 (edited) 9 hours ago, Terri Schehr said: Tom Hank and his wife, Rita Wilson, have tested positive for Covid 19 in Australia. Summer season in the Queensland area of Australia with warm temperatures? Sadly, warmer weather may have no real effect on limiting the growth of Covid-19. Edited March 12, 2020 by keystone3ply correction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terri Schehr Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 47 minutes ago, keystone3ply said: I would have to stay positive & think yes they can survive this crisis. I think they would have to utilize their line of credit as well as any financial relief via government low interest loans & other incentives to help with operating expenses, payroll, etc. Again, just me trying to say positive. I can't imagine my summer without drum corps performances. Totally selfish I know on my part, but I have plans to attend Detroit, Mid-West, ATL, & finals week in Indy. 😢 I have Detroit, Lisle, St. Louis, and Indy on my schedule. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quad Aces Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 (edited) One thing I don’t understand (and this is an honest question - no trolling)... Why is the reaction now different than when H1N1/Swine Flu was around in 2009 - 2010? H1N1 was more deadly, yet the reaction wasn’t anywhere close to what is happening now. Not trying to be political either, just an honest question. Edited March 12, 2020 by Quad Aces 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poppycock Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 7 hours ago, Jeff Ream said: DCI's just gonna try and raise the limit anyway Key word TRY! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCVNVET Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 1 hour ago, keystone3ply said: Summer season in the Queensland area of Australia with warm temperatures? Sadly, warmer weather may have no real effect on limiting the growth of Covid-19. On one of the talk show programs Dr.Sapphire a prominent Epidemiologist was asked abut the warmer temperature influence on the spread of the virus. She sheepishly shrugged her shoulders and moved on. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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