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11 minutes ago, N.E. Brigand said:

It's very unforunate new for the staff who were let go (I had to deliver the very same bad news to some people on staff where I work), but presumably if DCI had not done so, then the organization's demise would be assured. Cutting costs gives them a chance to survive.

Here's hoping DCI is able to hire these people back by the fall.

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43 minutes ago, TwoValves said:

Still about the same as drunk drivers.  Or the flu.  Or any number of other causes.  Sad?  Yes.  Still affecting only hundreths of a percentage point of people?  Yes.  

The US averages about 10,000 drunk driving deaths per year. How is that “about the same?” And when was the last time we had hospitals over capacity because of drunk driving accidents? Have drunk driving accidents been doubling every three days?

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5 hours ago, TwoValves said:

Still about the same as drunk drivers.  Or the flu.  Or any number of other causes.  Sad?  Yes.  Still affecting only hundreths of a percentage point of people?  Yes.  

Yeah hundredths of a percentage point hunkered down at home or out of work... wrong. And this is just starting to ramp up.

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5 hours ago, N.E. Brigand said:

COVID19 is definitely going to kill more Americans than died in either the 9/11 or Pearl Harbor attacks, and very probably more than both combined.

According to Hockey Dad's source above, the number of Americans who die from COVID19 by July will be more than 15 times the number of Americans who died on 9/11.   

And H.D. notes that could be very good news, relative to some earlier predictions.

But do go on.

His point was one of perspective. About 2 million people die in America each year of all causes. You cherry pick information to make things look one way, others do the opposite. 675,000 Americans died in the 1918 influenza pandemic. Adjusting for today’s population that would be about 2 million if this virus ran the same course. So yes, 80,000 would be a small number. Miraculous in my opinion. Yes, more than 9/11, or Pearl Harbor, or the Titanic or whatever you wish to point out. Less than the Holocaust, less than the Civil War, less than either world war, less than the Armenian genocide or Rwandan genocide. We could go back and forth but it is rather pointless I think. 

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1 hour ago, HockeyDad said:

His point was one of perspective. About 2 million people die in America each year of all causes.  

Perspective would include the info that traffic accidents, for example, aren't contagious. Driving by an accident and gawking doesn't automatically make anyone who saw the accident a high risk for causing an accident themselves, which would only cause even more people to have accidents.

This is a highly contagious air-borne and surface borne virus with a long incubation period in which people who have been infected feel nothing, while they're out there spreading the virus to others. When it kicks in, the fatality rate for those over the age of 30 is approaching 5% in this country - magnitudes more deadly than the routine flu (which has a short incubation period, and usually sidelines the victim before they can cause others to become infected).

Add in that crashing the health care system will result in other deaths as patients can't get care for more run of the mill illnesses and accidents. The way out of the situation is through quarantining and allowing the thing to run its course in as small a way as possible, not by saying "well, you're gonna die of something anyway", which is the underpinnings of the denier camp's position.

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17 hours ago, Jeff Ream said:

i said it a few days in a thread somewhere on here. it's happened before...Surf i believe after Sandy

The food truck was offered but never used.  There were a lot of hoops the corps had to jump through to get the truck used.  It was either Salvation Army or Red Cross.  I don't remember but I rdo emember Bob saying the the trailer would have to be painted/decaled to make it look like it belonged to SA/RC.  The corps did take a  day out of the 2014 tour to help clean up LBI.

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17 minutes ago, Slingerland said:

Perspective would include the info that traffic accidents, for example, aren't contagious. Driving by an accident and gawking doesn't automatically make anyone who saw the accident a high risk for causing an accident themselves, which would only cause even more people to have accidents.

This is a highly contagious air-borne and surface borne virus with a long incubation period in which people who have been infected feel nothing, while they're out there spreading the virus to others. When it kicks in, the fatality rate for those over the age of 30 is approaching 5% in this country - magnitudes more deadly than the routine flu (which has a short incubation period, and usually sidelines the victim before they can cause others to become infected).

Add in that crashing the health care system will result in other deaths as patients can't get care for more run of the mill illnesses and accidents. The way out of the situation is through quarantining and allowing the thing to run its course in as small a way as possible, not by saying "well, you're gonna die of something anyway", which is the underpinnings of the denier camp's position.

STOP saying this virus is airborne.  No major health organization agrees with that and has instead countered that assertion multiple times.

It is highly irresponsible during these times to repeat false information.  

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15 minutes ago, TwoValves said:

STOP saying this virus is airborne.  No major health organization agrees with that and has instead countered that assertion multiple times.

It is highly irresponsible during these times to repeat false information.  

Air borne if sneezes, coughing, etc transmit the infected droplets to other people or surfaces. If you want to downplay (judging by your other comments) take it elsewhere....

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38 minutes ago, TwoValves said:

STOP saying this virus is airborne.  No major health organization agrees with that and has instead countered that assertion multiple times.

It is highly irresponsible during these times to repeat false information.  

Actually, Dr. Fauci, The National Institute of Infectious Diseases, the WHO, & the CDC may disagree with you.  Some research says it can be suspended in the air as an aerosol for up to 3 hours.  (broken down in smaller particles after the original sneeze or cough; see video)  "The More You Know"

https://www.sfchronicle.com/science/article/The-science-of-coronavirus-how-fast-it-15135782.php    

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2004973

https://www.elsevier.com/connect/coronavirus-information-center

 

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