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9 minutes ago, JimF-LowBari said:

Air borne if sneezes, coughing, etc transmit the infected droplets to other people or surfaces. If you want to downplay (judging by your other comments) take it elsewhere....

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Just now, TwoValves said:

Yeah I know it’s not considered air borne which means breathing air other people have breathed. My point is it does goes thru the air as droplets if sneezed or coughed. Not try to plays games with words just bringing up the point.

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3 minutes ago, JimF-LowBari said:

Yeah I know it’s not considered air borne which means breathing air other people have breathed. My point is it does goes thru the air as droplets if sneezed or coughed. Not try to plays games with words just bringing up the point.

But saying it is airborne is more than semantics.  It creates fear and panic by falsely having people believe they can contract it simply by breathing air in a public place.  

I will call out false statements about this virus everytime I see them. Details DO matter when we are fighting something this serious.

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25 minutes ago, keystone3ply said:

Actually, Dr. Fauci, The National Institute of Infectious Diseases, the WHO, & the CDC may disagree with you.  Some research says it can be suspended in the air as an aerosol for up to 3 hours.  "The More You Know"

https://www.sfchronicle.com/science/article/The-science-of-coronavirus-how-fast-it-15135782.php    

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2004973

https://www.elsevier.com/connect/coronavirus-information-center

 

This video is enlightening to the science-related terminology.

Unfortunately, as Jim points out, "airborne" is not perceived by most of the public in these scientific ways.  "Airborne" sounds like "born in", or "lives in", or even "comes from".

I think that's the pushback and I'm glad for the medical reference to which we can refer.

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1 hour ago, Slingerland said:

Perspective would include the info that traffic accidents, for example, aren't contagious. Driving by an accident and gawking doesn't automatically make anyone who saw the accident a high risk for causing an accident themselves, which would only cause even more people to have accidents.

This is a highly contagious air-borne and surface borne virus with a long incubation period in which people who have been infected feel nothing, while they're out there spreading the virus to others. When it kicks in, the fatality rate for those over the age of 30 is approaching 5% in this country - magnitudes more deadly than the routine flu (which has a short incubation period, and usually sidelines the victim before they can cause others to become infected).

Add in that crashing the health care system will result in other deaths as patients can't get care for more run of the mill illnesses and accidents. The way out of the situation is through quarantining and allowing the thing to run its course in as small a way as possible, not by saying "well, you're gonna die of something anyway", which is the underpinnings of the denier camp's position.

 Nice rant. Not sure why you quoted me when your response was completely unrelated to anything I said. I did not in any way suggest stopping quarantining. Oh and also, if you are in the receiving end of a two car collision, it is absolutely beyond your control. 

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6 minutes ago, TwoValves said:

The WHO recognizes that COVID-19 can become can be transmitted as an "aerosol" in certain situations.  The research is still out on this topic, but most now agree that it can be transmitted when the particles are broken down.  See their statements & conclusions below: 

https://www.who.int/news-room/commentaries/detail/modes-of-transmission-of-virus-causing-covid-19-implications-for-ipc-precaution-recommendations  

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3 minutes ago, TwoValves said:

But saying it is airborne is more than semantics.  It created fear and panic by falsely having people believe they can contract it simply by breathing air in a public place.  

I will call out false statements about this virus everytime I see them. Details DO matter when we are fighting something this serious.

It would help if you would have explained this in the first place instead of just saying “not airborne”. Your lack of detail also led me in the wrong direction just like others saying airborne without detail

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28 minutes ago, keystone3ply said:

Actually, Dr. Fauci, The National Institute of Infectious Diseases, the WHO, & the CDC may disagree with you.  Some research says it can be suspended in the air as an aerosol for up to 3 hours.  (broken down in smaller particles after the original sneeze or cough; see video)  "The More You Know"

https://www.sfchronicle.com/science/article/The-science-of-coronavirus-how-fast-it-15135782.php    

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2004973

https://www.elsevier.com/connect/coronavirus-information-center

 

And that research created an artificial laboratory environment in a rotation drum designed to force droplets to stay suspended in air indefinitely to measure if they degrade.  It used a nebulizer to create the droplets which are smaller than those created by humans and hang in the air more effectively.  It does not replicate anything closely resembling what actually happens on planet earth.

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