Mandarins - Here We Go Again

[greg_orangecounty]

On 7/29/2020 at 10:27 AM, Toby said:

Unlocked. 
 

Mandarins, Ike Johnson. Go

"I Like Ike"

.............oh, wait. 

[cixelsyd]

11 hours ago, Tim K said:

Outside investigators can be helpful in an “audit” situation. You want to make sure your organization is keeping up to standards and protocols so you hire the investigators to do a review. When it comes to complaints, outside investigators can be good, but if the results favor the organization, it can be viewed as skewed since the organization is paying for the investigation. In an ideal world, DCI would have outside investigators and assign them to a corps. The corps would pay DCI for the investigation, but DCI would pay the investigators. That can remove some of the appearance of bias. 

How so?  If what you are saying is true, then that would make all of DCI appear biased instead of just an individual corps.

[JimF-LowBari]

On 7/30/2020 at 7:17 PM, Tim K said:

Outside investigators can be helpful in an “audit” situation. You want to make sure your organization is keeping up to standards and protocols so you hire the investigators to do a review. When it comes to complaints, outside investigators can be good, but if the results favor the organization, it can be viewed as skewed since the organization is paying for the investigation. In an ideal world, DCI would have outside investigators and assign them to a corps. The corps would pay DCI for the investigation, but DCI would pay the investigators. That can remove some of the appearance of bias. 

All I can think of is find a group with a good clean well known reputation. 

Thinking of the changes in sexual harassment training over the 30 or so years I had it annually. Started with male harassing female, eventually female harassing male included. Then finally any gender harassing any gender added on. Including scenario involving Sam and Taylor which at end asks “did you notice we didn’t say what gender they are, think about any assumptions you made”. 

Then last 8 or so years of separate training on prevention of sexual assault which is truly puke inducing.

Edited August 1, 2020 by JimF-LowBari

[O'Neal's]

On 7/31/2020 at 6:13 AM, cixelsyd said:

How so?  If what you are saying is true, then that would make all of DCI appear biased instead of just an individual corps.

I don't think DCI are biased. I also don't have trust in the outside investigation company being mentioned. I see a few think this is great. I don't think so. Based on information that I have. Caution should be used when commending this action by Mandarin's org. 

Edited August 6, 2020 by O'Neal's

[keystone3ply]

UPDATE; WGI Statement just released:

https://www.wgi.org/wgi-statement-august-13-2020/?fbclid=IwAR0HVWnnxsXsGowMxLl1yLo0ElKvMDguuU3fLOpmvuVzKs9WcLfjV-9OAB8

 

We want to update you on recent actions we’ve taken surrounding the events involving one of our Hall of Fame members, Ike Jackson, a California-based high school percussion instructor. In response to recent accounts of Mr. Jackson’s misconduct, WGI Sport of the Arts has retained the services of T&M Protection Resources to conduct an investigation into these reports, as well as the information that was provided to WGI in 2018. T&M is a highly qualified, professional firm with extensive experience assisting institutions in matters similar to this and its team is being led by Senior Managing Director, Lauren Mack, Esq. and Managing Director, Deborah Katz, Esq.

 

To that end, we encourage anyone who has experienced or is aware of inappropriate conduct by Mr. Jackson to contact T&M at 646-445-7739 or by dedicated email at WGI@tmprotection.com. Communications with T&M Protection Resources will be treated with the utmost sensitivity and respect. WGI has also requested that T&M review WGI’s policies and procedures for preventing and responding to reports of harassment and sexual misconduct to ensure that they comport with best practices in this area.

 

We know this matter has upset many in our extended community. We apologize that our response to date has not fully expressed how serious we take issues of abuse and misconduct on behalf of all who work at, volunteer in, partake of and support our events. While we cannot predict how long this investigation will take, we plan to provide you with additional information about what we learned and how we are addressing it at the appropriate time. We also vow to make all necessary changes to ensure that our events remain the example for how all young people of every race, sex, gender, sexual orientation, ethnicity, or gender expression can achieve the extraordinary through performance and fair competition.

Edited August 13, 2020 by keystone3ply
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[JimF-LowBari]

Wonder how many people will pick up on “including the information that was provided 2018”. 

[IllianaLancerContra]

2 minutes ago, JimF-LowBari said:

Wonder how many people will pick up on “including the information that was provided 2018”. 

I believe 2018 was what- like 2 years ago?

[JimF-LowBari]

52 minutes ago, IllianaLancerContra said:

I believe 2018 was what- like 2 years ago?

Yep still is..... but now 😸 is out of the bag...

Edited August 13, 2020 by JimF-LowBari

[Jeff Ream]

8 hours ago, JimF-LowBari said:

Wonder how many people will pick up on “including the information that was provided 2018”. 

i did

[Jeff Ream]

and on Instagram the Mandarins issued this:

 

As of August 20, 2020 Sacramento Mandarins has terminated its relationship with Mario Ramirez. He is no longer employed as Creative Director and Color Guard Caption Manager. Because this is a personnel matter, no further information will be released.