garfield Posted August 16, 2020 Author Share Posted August 16, 2020 1 hour ago, N.E. Brigand said: Dream big! I'm dreaming of crowds like this (taken earlier today in another country) outside stadium entrances trying to get in and see drum corps: (A drum corps coincidence: in the background I have Youtube randomly playing, and it happened to pull up "Autumn Leaves", albeit by Vince Guaraldi not Bluecoats.) CNN, shockingly, reports that crowd at about 50,000 in Belarus. Seems MUCH bigger than that. And about double the typical recent-years' finals attendance. Yes, this would be good for drum corps. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garfield Posted August 16, 2020 Author Share Posted August 16, 2020 23 minutes ago, Poppycock said: Don’t expect all organizations to be beholden to DCI. Loyalty has legs! True, but those who understand the value of the brand of DCI drum corps, as opposed to the hubris that a single organization can make it on its own, in its own league, on entertainment value alone, will carry the activity forward. We have the single best example in Star. Drum corps' top corps are not monoliths no matter how much they want to think they are. The DCI competitive performance tour is the brand. DCI should be fully funded to carry that message forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garfield Posted August 16, 2020 Author Share Posted August 16, 2020 (edited) 16 hours ago, Jeff Ream said: because the top dogs want it that way. and this is why the corps themselves need less say, because their track record on member safety alone dictates it....here we are two years later, not active in a pandemic, and still stuff comes out...stuff reported by kids pre-Hopghazi...that now gets addressed. All of which are at the corps level and none of which are at the DCI level! Why is this so hard to grasp by so many? DCI, the org, has NEVER had an accusation made against it. DCI, the org, was only recently assigned the responsibility to carry out member-safety duties at the DCI level! The attitude was always that the corps themselves were the center of the universe, not DCI. So, now that particular corps have been, and maybe will be, accused by new victims, NONE of it was at the DCI level! The Top Dogs, as you call them, demonstrate by the actions you describe that they are not qualified to keep their bias in check long enough to make decisions that protect the activity. Based on that alone, every effort should be made to push back against any notion that the corps themselves supplant any need for DCI. You blame circumstances on the DCI offices that are not in the purview of DCI to fix because the corps themselves have not, until very recently, given DCI the authority to act for the activity on these issues. Some people correctly treat DCI as a separate entity from the corps, which it is. Some people don't understand DCI's role and responsibility, much less understand that all of it is granted to DCI, the org, by the member corps. If DCI, the management org, has not addressed something it's because the office has never been given the resources, nor charged with the responsibility. Edited August 16, 2020 by garfield 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IllianaLancerContra Posted August 16, 2020 Share Posted August 16, 2020 8 minutes ago, garfield said: True, but those who understand the value of the brand of DCI drum corps, as opposed to the hubris that a single organization can make it on its own, in its own league, on entertainment value alone, will carry the activity forward. We have the single best example in Star. Drum corps' top corps are not monoliths no matter how much they want to think they are. The DCI competitive performance tour is the brand. DCI should be fully funded to carry that message forward. So where does the $ for DCI to be fully funded come from? Can we even figure out how much $ fully funded DCI would cost? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garfield Posted August 16, 2020 Author Share Posted August 16, 2020 Just now, IllianaLancerContra said: So where does the $ for DCI to be fully funded come from? Can we even figure out how much $ fully funded DCI would cost? From. The. Corps. Themselves. The corps have to commit to funding the operations. DCI gets it funding from exactly the same place as the corps themselves: from ticket sales. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garfield Posted August 16, 2020 Author Share Posted August 16, 2020 4 minutes ago, IllianaLancerContra said: So where does the $ for DCI to be fully funded come from? Can we even figure out how much $ fully funded DCI would cost? EVERYONE NEEDS TO UNDERSTAND THIS QUESTION, AND DEMAND THAT DCI BE FUNDED BY THE CORPS THAT MAKE UP ITS MEMBERSHIP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IllianaLancerContra Posted August 16, 2020 Share Posted August 16, 2020 (edited) 12 minutes ago, garfield said: From. The. Corps. Themselves. The corps have to commit to funding the operations. DCI gets it funding from exactly the same place as the corps themselves: from ticket sales. Can the Corps afford this now or in the immediate future? Or can’t they NOT afford it? Edited August 16, 2020 by IllianaLancerContra Punctuation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garfield Posted August 16, 2020 Author Share Posted August 16, 2020 14 minutes ago, IllianaLancerContra said: Can the Corps afford this now or in the immediate future? Or can’t they NOT afford it? Exactly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimF-LowBari Posted August 16, 2020 Share Posted August 16, 2020 40 minutes ago, garfield said: True, but those who understand the value of the brand of DCI drum corps, as opposed to the hubris that a single organization can make it on its own, in its own league, on entertainment value alone, will carry the activity forward. We have the single best example in Star. Drum corps' top corps are not monoliths no matter how much they want to think they are. The DCI competitive performance tour is the brand. DCI should be fully funded to carry that message forward. $64 question in (hopefully) 2021 is what form will that “DCI competitive performance tour” be. DCI and corps may have to look toward additional ideas to survive in the short and possibly long run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keystone3ply Posted August 16, 2020 Share Posted August 16, 2020 1 hour ago, Poppycock said: Don’t expect all organizations to be beholden to DCI. Loyalty has legs! Well, thanks for the ear worm. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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