soccerguy315 Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 7 hours ago, ironlips said: I've been teaching at a college for 35 years, and if you count drum corps instruction, my experience goes back to the Johnson Administration. (Not Andrew, but Lyndon) For the past 9 months, all my interaction with students has been online. Neither my students nor I signed up for this, and not to put too fine a point on it, it flat-out stinks. In-person instruction is vital and must be resumed as soon as possible, especially for earlier grades. (The older ones can much more easily adjust to a virtual environment, limited though it may be.) Teachers must be immunized early on for this to happen safely. On a personal note, I am one of the Phase 2 "lucky" ones, being over 65, albeit free from a compromised immune system, so far. Child care workers and K-8 teachers should come before me. don't the kids also need to be vaccinated for this to happen safely though? And they are already basically unaffected (statistically) compared to other groups so I don't see how you could justify healthy children be given the vaccine before older people... of course the no school is having disastrous consequences, especially on the children from families without the resources to supplement what the state is providing their child in terms of education. that said, I have seen many teachers unions argue they are being effective teaching from home. I don't agree, but that is their stance. So it is hard to shift from that stance, to a "we need the vaccine first" stance. That is all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Ream Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 23 hours ago, soccerguy315 said: teachers group 1? lol surely not the ones that have argued the last 6 months they can do their jobs just as effectively from home... you mean the same teachers going into buildings where kids arent tested, exposed to kids that go wherever with whoever...yeah my wife's district just went virtual til january because kids and families tested positive left and right, and could spread...and some teachers did too. sorry you hit a nerve here as i am married to a teacher that would love nothing more to be in person with her kids. be if one of them passes it on to her, she could bring it home to my daughter and me. Her district has seen that it came into the schools and spread, affecting kids and adults alike. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Ream Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 23 hours ago, Incognito365 said: They also charge KMEA almost the same price as they do for DCA...but I won't highjack this thread for that conversation. just don't unplug for the coffee pot! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironlips Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 "...don't the kids also need to be vaccinated for this to happen safely though?" Well, that would be safer, but nobody's going to wait that long to get the little whipper snappers back in their desks. Look at it this way: if some kids get sick, they can stay home from school. If the teachers get sick, school shuts down. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Ream Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 1 minute ago, ironlips said: "...don't the kids also need to be vaccinated for this to happen safely though?" Well, that would be safer, but nobody's going to wait that long to get the little whipper snappers back in their desks. Look at it this way: if some kids get sick, they can stay home from school. If the teachers get sick, school shuts down. indeed. and subs are in a shortage situation 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O'Neal's Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 (edited) Teachers can't teach but grocery stores, amazon warehouse, truck drivers, constructions workers have to work so all the non working teachers can eat and stay on zoom. So those workers who have to actually work are not able to monitor their kids to ensure they are on zoom. Failures are up as much as 40%. I have a friend who struggled pre covid-19 with depression. The schools being closed only caused more harm to her. She is still having more issues and who knows what the long term issues could there be. A few days ago the washington post had a article about schools. Here is a point quoted from that article. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/students-have-already-lost-too-much-time-they-need-to-be-back-in-classrooms/2020/12/04/44495cf8-350a-11eb-8d38-6aea1adb3839_story.html "Parents of means can give their children the help and resources they need or switch them to a private school; parents of minority or disadvantaged students with the most to lose have the least clout." Edited December 8, 2020 by O'Neal's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironlips Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 "...non working teachers can eat and stay on zoom." Permit me to help decode something here. I must assume this comment is meant in all sincerity, but I would point out that teachers are not on vacation, eating bon-bons and watching The Simpsons. Virtually all of them are continuing to do their jobs, remotely, with almost no administrative support. The vast majority of these people had to improvise like mad over the past several months to meet state-mandated specifications in the education code while inventing new ways to deliver curriculum as effectively as possible. Their work loads have increased exponentially. While they are fortunate to still have jobs, to describe them as "non working" is to be tragically misinformed. 5 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUARDLING Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 1 hour ago, Jeff Ream said: you mean the same teachers going into buildings where kids arent tested, exposed to kids that go wherever with whoever...yeah my wife's district just went virtual til january because kids and families tested positive left and right, and could spread...and some teachers did too. sorry you hit a nerve here as i am married to a teacher that would love nothing more to be in person with her kids. be if one of them passes it on to her, she could bring it home to my daughter and me. Her district has seen that it came into the schools and spread, affecting kids and adults alike. I have a friend ( a teacher ) in a state who was very quick to open ( politically motivated ) and my friend now is very sick with covid, possibly with bad lung damage. Sad 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimF-LowBari Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 (edited) 8 hours ago, O'Neal's said: Teachers can't teach but grocery stores, amazon warehouse, truck drivers, constructions workers have to work so all the non working teachers can eat and stay on zoom. So those workers who have to actually work are not able to monitor their kids to ensure they are on zoom. Failures are up as much as 40%. I have a friend who struggled pre covid-19 with depression. The schools being closed only caused more harm to her. She is still having more issues and who knows what the long term issues could there be. A few days ago the washington post had a article about schools. Here is a point quoted from that article. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/students-have-already-lost-too-much-time-they-need-to-be-back-in-classrooms/2020/12/04/44495cf8-350a-11eb-8d38-6aea1adb3839_story.html "Parents of means can give their children the help and resources they need or switch them to a private school; parents of minority or disadvantaged students with the most to lose have the least clout." Yeah the whole situation sucks. But speaking for a certain 1st grade teacher she is busting her butt harder than even trying to keep her students engaged in a situation where they are easily distracted. To call her non-working is a ####### insult as she CARES. And she is NOT alone. Actually she is in her classroom trying to give the lessons (school has the equipment and web access) to a bunch of little boxes on a screen. Trying to keep a bunch of 6 year old individuals on track with 20-30 open mics is “non-working”? Easily this is the hardest year in 30+ years but that’s not working eh? Not to mention the stress of trying to make this work during the day and worry at night how this is hurting the kids. Oh it’s so easy to judge others... Now instead of playing Monday morning quarterback pointing out all the problems and throwing insults... do you have any suggestions other than send them all back and say “well the kids will be safe” Edited December 8, 2020 by JimF-LowBari 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O'Neal's Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 4 hours ago, JimF-LowBari said: Yeah the whole situation sucks. But speaking for a certain 1st grade teacher she is busting her butt harder than even trying to keep her students engaged in a situation where they are easily distracted. To call her non-working is a ####### insult as she CARES. And she is NOT alone. Actually she is in her classroom trying to give the lessons (school has the equipment and web access) to a bunch of little boxes on a screen. Trying to keep a bunch of 6 year old individuals on track with 20-30 open mics is “non-working”? Easily this is the hardest year in 30+ years but that’s not working eh? Not to mention the stress of trying to make this work during the day and worry at night how this is hurting the kids. Oh it’s so easy to judge others... Now instead of playing Monday morning quarterback pointing out all the problems and throwing insults... do you have any suggestions other than send them all back and say “well the kids will be safe” Teachers are scared to go into work. Are the other workers who show up to work everyday not scared? The other workers find a way to go into work everyday. No reason to say bad words. The schools can be set up the same as grocery store with the barriers and sanitation protocols. Dr. Fauci and many others say schools should be open. Follow Science. Covid vaccine started today in the United Kingdom. Wonderful news. Some Drum Corps are planning a season which is wonderful news. Spring and Summer are just around the corner. I hope all the corps are taking care of their corps and doing what is best for them. Those who can't get out this upcoming year and those who can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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