JimF-LowBari Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 14 minutes ago, Sutasaurus said: That’s up to SoA not DCP. So what should DCP posters do, just shut up and not express their opinions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Ream Posted January 13, 2022 Author Share Posted January 13, 2022 3 hours ago, IllianaLancerContra said: Opinion requested - do people think DCI Office & individual Corps are reading these threads on DCP & Reddit? Not ‘will they do anything’ - just are they aware of what is happening here (& on Reddit)? oh i am sure...after SOA banned that young lady from their social media accounts. and more out today. it was never acceptable for any of this, but after April 2018 when drum corps and sexual abuse was headline news on newspapers and websites NATIONWIDE, that stuff still happens and its clear it was reported is so unacceptable, i cant fully form the words i want to say to the leadership at every corp. DCI's policy on paper is absolutely ####### worthless. Kids obviously don't feel safe going to adults, and it's clear other kids will do what they can to bully people into not reporting. DCI needs an anonymous way for kids to report first and foremost. They need someone not tied to a corps..hell preferably not the activity to be in charge of investigating and getting the reports, and DCI needs a database for all adults and members found to have perpetrated these acts and to be sure they are never associated with DCI in any way ever again. But the ######## running the show clearly don't give a ####, and don't seem to want to change anything. And i am not sure how we can ever get kids to feel safe reporting as more of this comes to light. With the BD and Crown stories out or yesterday, the list of corps i feel good about is even smaller.....and sadly i expect the names we haven't seen yet to be outed eventually. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimF-LowBari Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Jeff Ream said: DCI needs an anonymous way for kids to report first and foremost. They need someone not tied to a corps..hell preferably not the activity to be in charge of investigating and getting the reports, and DCI needs a database for all adults and members found to have perpetrated these acts and to be sure they are never associated with DCI in any way ever again. “Preferably not the activity “.. I’d say not anyone or anything connected to the activity period. Where I worked first person to report to was boss, if you didn’t trust them then group in the agency that handled cases. If that was not good for any reason then the hot line to OUTSIDE the agency to people who would not be affected by outcome of an investigation. DCI will be affected if abuse is proven so they should not be involved at all (conflict of interest). And we see how hard DCI came down on SoA. “You’re on probation “ (which doesn’t change a #### thing) which won’t scare any corps to get their crap together. And if it happens again…. We’re going to cross our fingers and squeeze our eyes tight hoping that doesn’t happen. Edited January 13, 2022 by JimF-LowBari 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lance Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 38 minutes ago, Sutasaurus said: Burning down DCI will do nothing, If asking for institutional changes is "burning down DCI,", it means there's already vast amounts of kindling soaked in kerosene in place. So you have a semblance of a point. You take care. I mean that. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjohn76 Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 3 hours ago, Terri Schehr said: Going forward…don’t report anything to the drum corps or DCI. Call 911 and get the authorities involved. I know of no other way to say it: these people aren’t to be trusted with your well-being. Unfortunately, this isn't the clear cut answer either... and may actually be counterintuitive in some cases. While police (or other appropriate agencies) should undoubtedly be involved if an incident involves a criminal act (ex. rape, sexual assault, sexting/child pornography, etc...), most law enforcement agencies aren't going to get involved in sexual harassment cases or other incidents where a violation of criminal codes/statutes hasn't occurred (ex. code of conduct violations). Some of these issues are civil matters at best, and the police will advise of that and walk away without any action being taken. Where does that leave the reporting member(s) at that point? There still needs to be an independent mechanism/avenue for handling all of the issues that don't arise to the level of criminal misconduct, and that mechanism needs to be powerful and have the ability to shut things down before they have a chance to rise to the level of criminal misconduct. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sutasaurus Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 34 minutes ago, JimF-LowBari said: So what should DCP posters do, just shut up and not express their opinions? Let those involved sort it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poppycock Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 (edited) 20 minutes ago, JimF-LowBari said: Add DCI to the long list of apologists posting on here who really don’t care. After all there are livelihoods to protect. Just give me drum corps no matter who’s being abused by who. Change nothing, nothings going to change. Edited January 13, 2022 by Poppycock 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sutasaurus Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 12 minutes ago, Lance said: If asking for institutional changes is "burning down DCI,", it means there's already vast amounts of kindling soaked in kerosene in place. So you have a semblance of a point. You take care. I mean that. The vast amounts of kindling soaked in kerosene you speak of is right here on DCP not necessarily in DCI. Take care as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimF-LowBari Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 5 minutes ago, Sutasaurus said: Let those involved sort it out. Been doing such a great job so far….. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Tuma Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 57 minutes ago, craiga said: I have been following these topics for days now. I don't doubt the accusers' stories and am broken hearted for them. Having said that, YES, lawyers should be involved. And law enforcement. People should be arrested, and charged, and brought to court, and adjudicated and sent to prison if found guilty. It seems as though there is no shortage right now of righteous indignation on social media, but perhaps instead of suggesting that this corps or that or even all of DCI or all of the Marching activities be "burned down" , maybe we should give support to the accusers and allow the legal system to work. I think the hundreds of staff people who have great integrity and thousands of innocent corps members who work so hard for the experience deserve that. It can’t SOLELY be the responsibility of the alleged victims. If there are staff members with “great integrity” they need to also step up. There is no way in h*** staff members don’t know that things like rookie talent night are happening. They chose to turn a blind eye. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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