IllianaLancerContra Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 23 minutes ago, JimF-LowBari said: Only if I can enact the Department of Defense sexual harassment and sexual assault training, policies and penalties. No I ain’t shutting up because I disagree… To include the UCMJ, CID/OSI/NCIS, and the Disciplinary Barracks at Ft. Levenworth 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sutasaurus Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 3 minutes ago, JimF-LowBari said: I never said shutdown DCI without the facts showing it is useless in protecting members. But even DCI has admitted abuse occurred in SoA and then enacted a meaningless “punishment” of probation which doesn’t penalize the corps at all. And it shouldn’t scare other corps into cleaning up their acts. That is the first nail in the coffin IMO that DCI is unwilling or unable to take hard steps to protect members. And the statements SoA and DCI released said nothing more than the corps will do what it should have done anyway. And if the corps doesn’t 🤷🏻. It depends on how probation is enforced. That’s incumbent on DCI and it’s organizations, not outraged posters here on DCP. Hopefully those in charge will see what’s happening amongst it’s fan base and become more transparent. I don’t think the activity in general is in peril but it does deserve scrutiny on both the accuser and the accused sides of the story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terri Schehr Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 38 minutes ago, rjohn76 said: Unfortunately, this isn't the clear cut answer either... and may actually be counterintuitive in some cases. While police (or other appropriate agencies) should undoubtedly be involved if an incident involves a criminal act (ex. rape, sexual assault, sexting/child pornography, etc...), most law enforcement agencies aren't going to get involved in sexual harassment cases or other incidents where a violation of criminal codes/statutes hasn't occurred (ex. code of conduct violations). Some of these issues are civil matters at best, and the police will advise of that and walk away without any action being taken. Where does that leave the reporting member(s) at that point? There still needs to be an independent mechanism/avenue for handling all of the issues that don't arise to the level of criminal misconduct, and that mechanism needs to be powerful and have the ability to shut things down before they have a chance to rise to the level of criminal misconduct. My encounter with a sexual predator when I was nine resulted in a call from my mom to the police, and a court hearing. But people can do whatever they want. Insanity is doing the same thing, the same way, but expecting different results. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sutasaurus Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Poppycock said: If the job was mine Phantom would be the first corps to sit the 2022 season out, along with a few with others. Because? Edited January 14, 2022 by Sutasaurus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craiga Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 36 minutes ago, Brian Tuma said: It can’t SOLELY be the responsibility of the alleged victims. If there are staff members with “great integrity” they need to also step up. There is no way in h*** staff members don’t know that things like rookie talent night are happening. They chose to turn a blind eye. If true, then those staff people who turned a blind eye to complaints might be in legal jeopardy as well. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimF-LowBari Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 25 minutes ago, Sutasaurus said: Jim, as far as I know I didn’t ask you to shut up. Ok by “let those involved sort it out” and “that’s for SoA not DCP” thought you meant DCP should be quiet (and not just me in particular) until this is resolved. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IllianaLancerContra Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 4 minutes ago, craiga said: If true, then those staff people who turned a blind eye to complaints might be in legal jeopardy as well. As they should be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimF-LowBari Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 (edited) 15 minutes ago, IllianaLancerContra said: To include the UCMJ, CID/OSI/NCIS, and the Disciplinary Barracks at Ft. Levenworth Had NCIS State College PA give face to face counter intelligence (aka anti-spy) training every year. Guy loved coming to our base as he was addicted to Dunkin coffee and one was just outside the main gate. Had great stories too “so undercover at the food court listening to this sweet young thing trying to get info from this old overweight guy. “Oh honey.. I love hearing about your job”. All I could do not to throw up”. Kicker was LL Cool J gave a videotaped welcome. Turns out he really does respect the real NCIS Edited January 14, 2022 by JimF-LowBari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IllianaLancerContra Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 1 minute ago, JimF-LowBari said: Had NCIS State College PA give face to face counter intelligence (aka anti-spy) training every year. Guy loved coming to our base as he was addicted to Dunkin coffee and one was just outside the main gate. Kicker was LL Cool J gave a videotaped welcome. Turns out he really does respect the real NCIS Point is that the DoD (& components) Sexual Misconduct training has real-world consequences backing it up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimF-LowBari Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 1 minute ago, IllianaLancerContra said: Point is that the DoD (& components) Sexual Misconduct training has real-world consequences backing it up. Yep and over they years made it easier to enact those consequences in a more timely manner. Had a few in my building become ex-employees because of it. And don’t think of trying to get a federal job somewhere else. They DO have a database for that.. and they use it. Swapping corps.. err agencies not going to happen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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