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3 hours ago, keystone3ply said:

Two questions:

1) I lost track, was DCI working with Safe Sport before? I only remember the other group whose name escapes me.

2) Will provide training…. who all will get trained. HUGE question if DCI doesn’t want to go half vast (say it fast) on this.

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1 hour ago, JimF-LowBari said:

Two questions:

1) I lost track, was DCI working with Safe Sport before? I only remember the other group whose name escapes me.

2) Will provide training…. who all will get trained. HUGE question if DCI doesn’t want to go half vast (say it fast) on this.

This is certainly a step in the right direction. But....

https://www.thesportsexaminer.com/the-big-picture-raisman-biles-rip-fbi-usa-gymnastics-usopc-center-for-safesport-in-senate-hearing-ask-for-more-investigations-and-prosecutions/

I have the same questions as you and some serious doubts about SafeSport. Adopting their methods signals change, but the rot is deep and alum who don't bat an eye at alumni survivors are still in charge of organizations across the activity.

If victims of USA Gymnastics don't trust SafeSport yet, then neither do I.

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4 hours ago, njthundrrd said:

Jeff, I think a good lawyer might disagree if their client was on that list.

well if the activity is trying to keep this #### out, there's gotta be a way. and seeing as Safesport is having issues with it, it may just be the law doesnt give a #### about safety

 

https://abcnews.go.com/Sports/us-center-safesport-olympic-movements-misconduct-watchdog-struggles/story?id=83061994

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11 hours ago, JimF-LowBari said:

Two questions:

1) I lost track, was DCI working with Safe Sport before? I only remember the other group whose name escapes me.

2) Will provide training…. who all will get trained. HUGE question if DCI doesn’t want to go half vast (say it fast) on this.

 

8 hours ago, Jeff Ream said:

well if the activity is trying to keep this #### out, there's gotta be a way. and seeing as Safesport is having issues with it, it may just be the law doesnt give a #### about safety

 

https://abcnews.go.com/Sports/us-center-safesport-olympic-movements-misconduct-watchdog-struggles/story?id=83061994

Not sure but I think DCI just started this initiative?  And wow; the abc story used the term "paper tiger".  (Paper tiger: a person or thing that appears threatening but is ineffectual.)

  

"If you're SafeSport, and you're funded by the organization you're investigating, they're likely not going to do the right thing," Raisman told lawmakers during testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee in September. "It's a complete mess, and the priority doesn't seem to be the safety and well-being of athletes."

   

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It seems to me that it would be useful if Ms Zorn (the new DCI Participant Safety Manager) would have some sort of discussion on DCP with those of us who have specific questions and/or concerns.

We could ask questions like:

'If a still-active DCI HOF caption-head instructor is found to be acting inappropriately, do you have the authority to remove the instructor, even if the Corps protests?' (note - I do not have any individual in mind, I am just trying to indicate the 'offender' is someone high-up in a Corps)

'If a marching member who is the star soloist for a Corps in contention for winning a championship misbehaves the morning of finals day, do you have the authority to pull him from the finals night performance?'

'If leadership of a Corps refuses to cooperate with an investigation by your office, do you have the authority to remove the Corps from the tour?'

I'm sure we could come up with other questions.

The point is that unless DCI empowers Ms Zorn by backing her up when making disciplinary decisions, then it is just more smoke, mirrors, & obfuscation on DCI's part.

 

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7 minutes ago, IllianaLancerContra said:

It seems to me that it would be useful if Ms Zorn (the new DCI Participant Safety Manager) would have some sort of discussion on DCP with those of us who have specific questions and/or concerns.

We could ask questions like:

'If a still-active DCI HOF caption-head instructor is found to be acting inappropriately, do you have the authority to remove the instructor, even if the Corps protests?' (note - I do not have any individual in mind, I am just trying to indicate the 'offender' is someone high-up in a Corps)

'If a marching member who is the star soloist for a Corps in contention for winning a championship misbehaves the morning of finals day, do you have the authority to pull him from the finals night performance?'

'If leadership of a Corps refuses to cooperate with an investigation by your office, do you have the authority to remove the Corps from the tour?'

I'm sure we could come up with other questions.

The point is that unless DCI empowers Ms Zorn by backing her up when making disciplinary decisions, then it is just more smoke, mirrors, & obfuscation on DCI's part.

 

I would add question on addressing problem members who join another corps. Supposedly a harasser who was a Spirit member tried to join BD. BD didn’t know his bad history until it came out in social media. 
Same problems schools have when abusers are not reported and they go somewhere else

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15 minutes ago, JimF-LowBari said:

I would add question on addressing problem members who join another corps. Supposedly a harasser who was a Spirit member tried to join BD. BD didn’t know his bad history until it came out in social media. 
Same problems schools have when abusers are not reported and they go somewhere else

That is a good question as well.  The harassing-member of today may well become the harassing-instructor of tomorrow.  We need to break the cycle.

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6 hours ago, IllianaLancerContra said:

The point is that unless DCI empowers Ms Zorn by backing her up when making disciplinary decisions, then it is just more smoke, mirrors, & obfuscation on DCI's part.

 

Just want to validate and amplify.

I just don't if housing Ms. Zorn's position under DCI is the way I'd go, and am hoping this is just the first step of many. I know SafeSport is supposedly unaffiliated (financially and structurally) with the activities/orgs that employ their methods and yet STILL they're facing numerous accusations of not working and conflicting interests. I'm glad for SafeSport's existence AND I'm critical of their application to DCI.

To amplify the gymnasts who were abused by Nassar, and who later testified before Congress regarding SafeSport:

Not centering the victims and survivors of mistreatment is a mistake. Period. If DCI doesn't center us, they're going to keep chasing their tales about this, applying solutions without listening to the ACTUAL mistreatment that some of us ACTUALLY experienced.

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18 hours ago, Jeff Ream said:

well if the activity is trying to keep this #### out, there's gotta be a way. and seeing as Safesport is having issues with it, it may just be the law doesnt give a #### about safety

 

https://abcnews.go.com/Sports/us-center-safesport-olympic-movements-misconduct-watchdog-struggles/story?id=83061994

Sheesh!

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I want to add that a singular paid role for any initiative in safety/wellness or DEIB is a recipe for disaster.

These roles are so difficult that one person cannot do it alone. Period. DEIB practitioners talk about this constantly. Even if we're years away from such positions in drum corps, safety and wellness positions face the same nearly-impossible feat of strength. They need support and resources, or burnout will happen. Then the initiative crumbles because it failed and people throw their hands up again. I've seen it.

That's why Ms. Zorn's position has to be only a first step.

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