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3 hours ago, waliman4444 said:

I've only seen the Bluecoats once (without interruption) thanks to FLO...My question is " Are they covering the same period in time with their production as are the Cadets?  1950's to 1960's?

no, I'm thinking 70s

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On 7/16/2022 at 3:16 AM, Cadet Guardy said:

I was hoping for changes to the closer in order to compete at a higher level as it was very stagnant - this is good news. The problem I have with this show is within the GE category - it simply doesn't and cannot compare, nor compete, with the top of the pack. As an alumni, it's worth mentioning that the guard has made SIGNIFICANT improvements vs. past years and that makes me very proud. ! I am however still missing the wow factor from this show - what will it take?

I was also hoping for a bit more in the way of changes to the closer - they seemed very minor to me. Hopefully they still have some ideas up their sleeve to bolster GE more. I tend to quantify GE by "wow" moments and so far there are three in this show for me: 1) The two-member guard soli with the corps playing the part with the nice crescendo after the narration "as is ever so... on the road." That moment just feels good to me. 2) The backfield Side 1 corner moment while the narration remarks "you have to leave it all in the rearview mirror." 3) The company front before the ending company front, just a good moment. What other "wow" moments hit for you all?

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9 minutes ago, Sensioto said:

I was also hoping for a bit more in the way of changes to the closer - they seemed very minor to me. Hopefully they still have some ideas up their sleeve to bolster GE more. I tend to quantify GE by "wow" moments and so far there are three in this show for me: 1) The two-member guard soli with the corps playing the part with the nice crescendo after the narration "as is ever so... on the road." That moment just feels good to me. 2) The backfield Side 1 corner moment while the narration remarks "you have to leave it all in the rearview mirror." 3) The company front before the ending company front, just a good moment. What other "wow" moments hit for you all?

Simplifying GE down to “wow moments” will likely lead you to only be further frustrated with the judging and scoring lol

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54 minutes ago, Cappybara said:

Simplifying GE down to “wow moments” will likely lead you to only be further frustrated with the judging and scoring lol

Cadets aren't done, with the closer in particular.

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On 7/16/2022 at 9:04 PM, Cadet Guardy said:

🙄 pretty sure GE is more of a concern right now - Blue Stars are much more visually impactful. Btw - the guard hasn’t been this good in 3 years.

Pretty sure, Cadets drill is a million times more impactful than Blue Stars, but BS' guard is awesome too.

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5 minutes ago, George Dixon said:

Cadets aren't done, with the closer in particular.

Oh I know, no shows are done yet. I was just saying generally that when assessing any show for GE, simplifying the concept of GE simply to moments that “wow” you will likely lead to frustration with the judging system as that does not seem to be the way the judges define it

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5 minutes ago, George Dixon said:

Cadets aren't done, with the closer in particular.

I say that every time i see their ending, "oh a second company front ending.  how many times have we seen an early season second company front ending be swapped out for some absurd drill by the end of the season?"

I can't wait. 

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27 minutes ago, Cappybara said:

Oh I know, no shows are done yet. I was just saying generally that when assessing any show for GE, simplifying the concept of GE simply to moments that “wow” you will likely lead to frustration with the judging system as that does not seem to be the way the judges define it

This is very true. For years in the 1980s and 90s the Madison Scouts had no problem connecting with the audience. Their GE scores were generally very good, but very seldom high enough to allow them to contend. People often brought the subject up on RAMD and I can remember many arguments over what GE should be. 

In general when people discuss GE they are thinking about the WOW moments, the applause points, etc. But GE is much more than that. GE can be when the show connects in a logical way through visual and music. It can be the logical flow of drill and music and how they relate to theme, story, or concept. The Bluecoats 2014 "Tilt" show is a perfect example of the later.  It can be an "ooh" and "aah" kind of moment or a subtle visual or musical element in the show, perhaps even a recurring visual idea or music motif.

GE judges are also looking for the clarity of the visual and musical elements. Where is the focus? Is the show cluttered? Do the elements make sense? And on and on. 

It is very subjective as many have noted on DCP, but there are objective points to be made in GE. If I said that the Blue Devils GE is way more focused with more clarity in the connection between music and visual than just about any corps out there, well that is not a subjective statement. I think it is a fact. Some can argue. That's fine. What I am not saying is that BD's show is more enjoyable than the other corps, because that is an opinion that can only be made by the individual fan. But when it comes to focusing the audience and aligning all the elements of the show so that it flows from A - Z, BD has the most focused show that also has the highest level of clarity in the connections being made between visual and audio. Whatever effect they are trying to project tends to be done with clarity, great focus, cleanliness, and style of presentation. 

Sorry for the long-winded post. Just thought I would throw in my 2 cents on GE. I realize you have a good understanding of GE too, as do most on DCP. 

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53 minutes ago, GUARDLING said:

Z...........😁

Heh it told dad on my first watch. "That second front will end in a z pull by august."  

I'm more interested what they'll do to build to it.

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