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Just now, MikeN said:

Except financially.  Even when successful they were sacrificing the future to pay for the present.  To be fair, they definitely haven't been the only ones.

Mike

They made promises that were never kept, staff, members  bus companies etc etc. Bad management and youre right they havent been the only ones

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3 hours ago, MikeN said:

Except financially.  Even when successful they were sacrificing the future to pay for the present.  To be fair, they definitely haven't been the only ones.

Mike

to a point yes they had some money behind them at first in 2002. however that slowly started unraveling after 2003.

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On 7/29/2022 at 12:23 PM, MikeN said:

Yeah, WC vs OC is an organizational designation, not an on-field one really.  WC means you get appearance money, priority in scheduling and housing, and access to a lot more support.  In return, you are guaranteeing you can handle appearing all over a national tour (30+ shows generally) during the 8-9 week season, that you have not only finances in place to cover that, but reserves at a certain level, that you're providing "world class" health and safety, meals, transportation and other member support, and that your committing to having a stake in the whole. 

I've been in the room - there just aren't any OC's currently that are built to handle that.  WC gets a lot, but in return they give a lot.  Crown spends more on health and safety staff alone than some OC's spend on food all summer.  OC places a lot more of the burden on each individual org, but also lets them tailor their tour experience way more to their liking.

Mike

And to put a little data behind that. In our last pre-COVID season, the World Class corps with the fewest appearance (not including championships events) was Jersey Surf at 20 shows. Things have changed now, but it's unclear if those changes are permanent. This year, Jersey Surf has 14 shows while three Open Class corps exceed that (Colt Cadets - 17, Gold - 15, River City Rhythm - 15). 

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On 7/29/2022 at 12:23 PM, MikeN said:

Yeah, WC vs OC is an organizational designation, not an on-field one really.  WC means you get appearance money, priority in scheduling and housing, and access to a lot more support.  In return, you are guaranteeing you can handle appearing all over a national tour (30+ shows generally) during the 8-9 week season, that you have not only finances in place to cover that, but reserves at a certain level, that you're providing "world class" health and safety, meals, transportation and other member support, and that your committing to having a stake in the whole. 

 

Mike

I read DCI's "Policies and Procedures "  Policy 216.

To call this policy "vague" is an understatement, including 

number of performances.

If you're correct about WC requiring being out for a 8-9 week tour, with 30+ performances, there seem to be several corps,  Jersey Surf among others that aren't meeting WC requirements.

If WC can have "floating" rules, then just having one class levels the playing field.

 

 

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5 hours ago, Phantom56 said:

I agree-DCI should just have one class, and pay appearance fees to all corps. SCV Cadets, Spartans and BD2 are often more entertaining than some of the World class corps.  

Well ya have to get 20-21 corps to agree to that vote for it.

 

you have a better chance of getting alumni to agree to go an entire year without complaining about something 

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6 minutes ago, Jeff Ream said:

 

 

you have a better chance of getting alumni to agree to go an entire year without complaining about something 

Bleak.

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