Carolina Crown 2023

[TOC]

1 hour ago, BWise said:

Yeah .. even I am tiring of the Crown North Drum and Bugle Corps (aka BAC) conversation but I think there are degrees of staff moving around and an entire visual team, creative, design, drill and color guard staff .. even down to the techs moving to another corps. That pretty much is poaching. And frankly the first three years honestly I did not even know the staff had left Crown and I kept saying .., why does Boston look just like Crown .. down to even the small stylistic body movements. Even down to their show graphics and social media packaging. 
it’s all fine with me but there is barely one shred of the old Boston look or feel left. And I love it because it looks like Crown .. but you just gotta own it .. I mean Sacktig came to Crown but in no way do they look or feel like the Cadets. It’s just weird to me .. wanting to present stylistically the same as another corps. BAC has evolved more and this is less the case but those first three shows felt like copy paste to me.  

Reads like sour grapes to me.  People change jobs all the time and many times go to the competition.  Sport coach's bounce around all the time and bring their style of play with them.  They bring some if not all their assistant coaches (DCI techs) to teach the head coach's style based on the talent of the athletes (mm). 

[LabMaster]

28 minutes ago, TOC said:

Reads like sour grapes to me.  People change jobs all the time and many times go to the competition.  Sport coach's bounce around all the time and bring their style of play with them.  They bring some if not all their assistant coaches (DCI techs) to teach the head coach's style based on the talent of the athletes (mm). 

It’s constant sour grapes and they can’t get over it even if the moves occurred over 6 years ago.  You are dead on about what a staff brings to a new group.  They actually can’t articulate exactly how poaching is applicable whenever anyone moves to another corps.  Just think of all recent moves and these would be poaching by their definition.  From brass and percussion moves right on up to leadership positions.

 

[craiga]

Same old same old. And referring to the Boston Crusaders as the "Crown North Drum and Bugle Corps" is disingenuous and insulting to a corps who has survived over 83 years. Seriously? I thought we were beyond this.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Boss Anova]

[BWise]

11 hours ago, TOC said:

Reads like sour grapes to me.  People change jobs all the time and many times go to the competition.  Sport coach's bounce around all the time and bring their style of play with them.  They bring some if not all their assistant coaches (DCI techs) to teach the head coach's style based on the talent of the athletes (mm). 

Hey .. yeah .. I’ll admit sour grapes on guard. Townsend has something special.  Those Potter shows top out .. we’ll see how those compete going forward. 
but … let’s just admit what is commonly known .. BAC waved a stack of money at these teams and they jumped. Just own it. I still argue a couple of ppl moving around is not the same as what has happened here but .. my opinion. And in the same breath the BAC propagandist that constantly live in the Crown forum gloat about pulling over Crown kids. You can’t have it both ways. 
And also .. we’ll all be fine. I like what BAC is doing .. it’s dramatic story telling with a lot of guard on top. What’s there not to like. ? 

[keystone3ply]

1 hour ago, BWise said:

Hey .. yeah .. I’ll admit sour grapes on guard. Townsend has something special.  Those Potter shows top out .. we’ll see how those compete going forward. 
but … let’s just admit what is commonly known .. BAC waved a stack of money at these teams and they jumped. Just own it. I still argue a couple of ppl moving around is not the same as what has happened here but .. my opinion. And in the same breath the BAC propagandist that constantly live in the Crown forum gloat about pulling over Crown kids. You can’t have it both ways. 
And also .. we’ll all be fine. I like what BAC is doing .. it’s dramatic story telling with a lot of guard on top. What’s there not to like. ? 

 

 

[TOC]

3 hours ago, BWise said:

   BAC waved a stack of money at these teams and they jumped.  

And what's wrong with that?  And please do not attempt to convince us that you've never taken more money from another buyer for an item you sold or taken a similar job elsewhere for a better salary/hourly rate.

[TOC]

3 hours ago, BWise said:

  And in the same breath the BAC propagandist that constantly live in the Crown forum gloat about pulling over Crown kids.  

 I imagine those propagandist you speak of are only defending Boston because others bring up that corps in another corps thread. 

[LabMaster]

5 hours ago, BWise said:

Hey .. yeah .. I’ll admit sour grapes on guard. Townsend has something special.  Those Potter shows top out .. we’ll see how those compete going forward. 
but … let’s just admit what is commonly known .. BAC waved a stack of money at these teams and they jumped. Just own it. I still argue a couple of ppl moving around is not the same as what has happened here but .. my opinion. And in the same breath the BAC propagandist that constantly live in the Crown forum gloat about pulling over Crown kids. You can’t have it both ways. 
And also .. we’ll all be fine. I like what BAC is doing .. it’s dramatic story telling with a lot of guard on top. What’s there not to like. ? 

2 things to challenge a couple of points here and maybe change the paradigm that has been invented and perpetuated.  One.  No one was waving stacks of money to get anyone to jump.  They may have provided a landing spot for some who were jumping to find another place that would enable and encourage creative freedom with no restraint.  Two, no BAC propagandists lurk in Crown world gloating.  Although you may like perpetuating these ideas, it’s just not true. Crown folks wanted to leave, BAC wanted to make a push forward in DCI.  Kismet.  Serendipity.  Certainly not poaching or any similar notion.   Best of luck to Crown this year.  Support them and for once drop the concern with BAC.  It’s been 6 years for gosh sakes.

[fighterkit]

19 hours ago, BWise said:

Yeah .. even I am tiring of the Crown North Drum and Bugle Corps (aka BAC) conversation but I think there are degrees of staff moving around and an entire visual team, creative, design, drill and color guard staff .. even down to the techs moving to another corps. That pretty much is poaching. And frankly the first three years honestly I did not even know the staff had left Crown and I kept saying .., why does Boston look just like Crown .. down to even the small stylistic body movements. Even down to their show graphics and social media packaging. 
it’s all fine with me but there is barely one shred of the old Boston look or feel left. And I love it because it looks like Crown .. but you just gotta own it .. I mean Sacktig came to Crown but in no way do they look or feel like the Cadets. It’s just weird to me .. wanting to present stylistically the same as another corps. BAC has evolved more and this is less the case but those first three shows felt like copy paste to me.  

I disagree with this

You watch BAC in 14 and then you watch BAC in 17 or 18 or any season with the new staff and its obvious its BAC.
They may have designed elsewhere but those shows have never felt like a Crown show to me and doesn't look like it

On the other hand. Crown has looked like Crown for a while despite the constant rotation of staff in and out.

 

Yes they have their own style that you can see similarities in the show, but BAC has always and always will be BAC. Not Crown 2.0