Staff Merry-go-round

[PopcornEater1963]

2 hours ago, 84BDsop said:

You're arguing that Madison should've seen an immediate improvement solely by adding women to the corps.

I was countering an argument that the Cavaliers will have to take this unneccessary step to continue to being a top flight corps. And also stating that it's not on the agenda in Rosemont. Madison made that announcement in 2019. It's 2022. Yes there was no 2020 season...and yes, 2021 was an abbreviated and unscored season. Some would argue that means Madison couldn't begin to capitalize on their decisions. Others would argue it gave them all the time in the world to adjust recruiting, upcoming show design, etc. 

it doesn't matter. I guess i'm just a little worn thin that every time a Cavaliers subject of any kind comes up, someone with very little or no association with the corps comes in hot screeching about "Cavlaliers should go co=ed". 

I'd bet you a dime to a doughnut they''d rather fold first if it came to that...and it won't come to that. Not because there's a misogynistic view of the world... but because the corps operates as a musical brotherhood. It's dyed deep in the brand...so frankly...I'm sick of the rehash...keeping it real. 

[jjeffeory]

2 hours ago, 84BDsop said:

Yep....and yetPopcornEater1963 seems to think that simply adding women to Madison should instantly make them jump up into Saturday night....the FIRST competitive season after adding them.  

Pure BS.

Not what he said at all, but go ahead and mischaracterize what he said.

[PopcornEater1963]

6 minutes ago, jjeffeory said:

Not what he said at all, but go ahead and mischaracterize what he said.

Thanks, sir...I indeed did not say that. But people with an agenda read what they want to read. I'm beyond sick of listening to "Cavaliers should go co-ed" and I'm going to start making that more obvious...all within posting guidelines, of course. 

[Ediker]

7 hours ago, PopcornEater1963 said:

And of course, the Blue Devils had no show last year..."serious" (whatever that really means) or not...and they won their 20th title. 

Like Crown, they maintained their position.

[looks for the ducking behind wall thing]

[BlueStainGlass]

5 minutes ago, Ediker said:

Like Crown, they maintained their position.

[looks for the ducking behind wall thing]

[Ediker]

Wasn’t there some new rule (2017) about no staff change announcements until after Labor Day?

[BlueStainGlass]

4 minutes ago, Ediker said:

Wasn’t there some new rule (2017) about no staff change announcements until after Labor Day?

Departures are on the staff member.  I think thats corps announcements

[LabMaster]

5 hours ago, rpbobcat said:

First off what defines a "worker" ?

One could argue that people who assemble/disassemble props are "workers".

If I were DCI and the corps (one and the same) I would have their attorneys look into this

In this case a worker is someone paid for their labor. You are right people who assemble or disassemble props are workers, if they are being paid to do it.  But in many cases it’s mm’s who have assembled props.  But what was mentioned is mm’s ON props is where OSHA would be interested.  My point was OSHA would not be involved as the users are not workers which is what OSHA oversees.  Worker safety and health. 
 

Now how about we get back to the topic of this thread which is not OSHA or prop building, engineering or PE credentials.

[C.Holland]

8 hours ago, scheherazadesghost said:

What is the normal staff structure that manages that in any industry?  Wondering if @C.Hollandhas thoughts here.

Is OSHA still the regulating body even if MMs are technically classified as "members" or "students"?

I don’t know how to abridge this enough to make it readable for a forum. If anyone wants to hear my dissertations on safety and operations in entertainment, come to nyc and we can grab average to chat it over. Or feel free to hit me at my website, or office phone. I’m not hard to google as a theatre consultant or designer.  
 

the basics of entertainment safety practices.
TSP - ESTA (technical standards program of entertainment services technology association) is the only ANSI approved trade group for entertainment approved to write operating protocols and safety standards. It’s a collection of integrators, consultants (that’s me), designers (also me), and venue operators (me 15 years ago)who are specialists in the back stage tech and operations. We cover everything to railing to floors, to rigging, scenery, props, fire treatments, operating safety language for programming equipment… it’s along list and you’re already bored reading this.  Anything built or installed must comply with the TSP standards if it’s used in professional entertainment. (We can discuss the many levels of pro entertainment another time) 

Whos in charge of what on a show:

Production Manager is the liaison of everything making the show happen. Gear, people, directors, schedule,  venue, budget, safety, everything.  The buck stops here for operations.
 

Stage manager oversees the performers in all aspects of the production. Performer safety and scheduling is all them. (Student or pro) they walk through every aspect of a venue before each show, and catalog all concerns which occur during showtime and direct these to the appropriate department for repair or addressing during the next day. 

 

Tech director - manages all technical staff, budgets, operations, construction. Safety backstage and during load in out are on them. All tech staff training and operations comes through them. 
 

then each dept has a head. Electrics, Props (small things onstage, not what we think of in drum corps) Audio, Video, Automation, Staging, Rigging.  Who oversee their staff. 
 

Now in entertainment all methods of operation are by venue. A student performer walking into the Hudson Theatre NYC for their dance recital is required to abide by the venues operation policies.  Most pro venues operated by TSP as well as OSHA standards.  Why both you ask?  Because we here in entertainment find OSHA rules restricting. And they don’t always work when you want Cirque to come in and fly people around a space, or when you want Patty Lupone to sit on her automated wagon that’s shoved up to stage level through the deck traps, or when the Met Opera has 10 tons of scenery to move in 15 seconds and stop within 1/32” accuracy.  That’s where TSP comes in. We write the book governing the safety protocols and construction of entertainment equipment, which over engineers everything so that unless you’re in Spider-Man the musical, you shouldn’t get hurt.  So the first set of rules is osha, but osha doesn’t cover entertainment equipment, scenery, lighting, etc etc etc. 

 

if you want to read what I spend some hours off work reviewing, it’s all here. https://tsp.esta.org/tsp/documents/published_docs.php
 

No OSHA does not usually pertain to minors. TSP is the guidebook for safety in entertainment because it’s operations specific, not person or employee specific.  
 

 

[C.Holland]

4 hours ago, PopcornEater1963 said:

I was countering an argument that the Cavaliers will have to take this unneccessary step to continue to being a top flight corps. And also stating that it's not on the agenda in Rosemont. Madison made that announcement in 2019. It's 2022. Yes there was no 2020 season...and yes, 2021 was an abbreviated and unscored season. Some would argue that means Madison couldn't begin to capitalize on their decisions. Others would argue it gave them all the time in the world to adjust recruiting, upcoming show design, etc. 

it doesn't matter. I guess i'm just a little worn thin that every time a Cavaliers subject of any kind comes up, someone with very little or no association with the corps comes in hot screeching about "Cavlaliers should go co=ed". 

I'd bet you a dime to a doughnut they''d rather fold first if it came to that...and it won't come to that. Not because there's a misogynistic view of the world... but because the corps operates as a musical brotherhood. It's dyed deep in the brand...so frankly...I'm sick of the rehash...keeping it real. 

Madison had other reasons for going coed. And I’ve already had these arguments with others. In short it’s about money, and funding available for all inclusive groups versus less inclusive groups.