OldSnareDrummer Posted July 17 Share Posted July 17 6 minutes ago, nsxanax said: Such is the crux of an activity, whereby so much subjectivity is baked into the formula for determining winners and losers. As a lifelong fan, you have to make peace with that element from the get go. To quote George C. Scott in "Patton," " I love it. God help me, I do love it so." Yep, there's a whole of things about today's corps that I've had to make peace with. Judging is one of them. Great quote, by the way. My all time favorite movie. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabMaster Posted July 17 Share Posted July 17 7 hours ago, WildcatMello said: Yeah, they weren't as loud and didn't seem quite as confident as the other corps brass. But I think it's just because the book is much harder from the get go. They'll get there though, we know they're capable of it. I know everyone on here as been raving about the music they're playing in the last act, but it didn't feel as impactful as others. Lots of running notes and it sounds neat but not really sure if it ties into the mood I'd expect for the closer. But again, it's not finished. The drill they do in the closer didn't help them any either. These are things that one can nitpick about constantly, but in the end we know they'll pull it together. Not really a percussion guy so I'm not really sure what needs to be done there...But to me percussion book is very unique. it felt like it was on a different level...not good or bad, but maybe it's style. I wish I had more insight than that. The guard was really good, so much better of a run last night than they had at BA in 23. Only caught one rifle drop this year. I liked their outfits so much more as well. it seemed this year all the guard from all those seven corps last night looked really good. I think the flags they used could have been a bit more dramatic. I wish they had used a different one during the ballad. Twas a bit underwhelming when compared to the top three corps guard used during their ballads. That is all very picky on my part and I can't really stand by those words as I'm not as familiar with those captions. I'm hoping they use more of the big prop in the closer. I have a few ideas for how they could complete the entire package. Just my own imagination without any clue what they'll actually do. I won't really go into my ideas unless asked specifically. it doesn't matter and I would rather focus on what they'll actually do rather than imprint my own thoughts and waste space on the thread. Again, really liked the show but at the moment it doesn't quite have the punch I expected. Everything except the brass was much better this year at BA compared to last year. The spacing issues aren't as noticeable, nor do they have holes. The guard is better for certain, the brass book is so much harder. Was hoping for the infamous mello like from last year. It was twice in a row in 12 and 13 and I thought maybe it could be used again somehow for this show. I'm not worried, they'll clean everything up and, I wouldn't say I'm 100% confident of this but I can see them passing BAC again by finals because of all the stuff they're going to add, I'm not worried, they'll clean everything up and, I wouldn't say I'm 100% confident of this but I can see them passing BAC again by finals because of all the stuff they're going to add, And what about what BAC adds? And cleans ? It comes down to what is added, what works once it’s added. How clean can what is added get. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vuitton Posted July 17 Share Posted July 17 3 hours ago, ContraFart said: The judging apologists will say that "the difficulty is not readable yet" or something like that, but I think its all hogwash Yes, agreed. I think we can assess something is complex and difficult without it being played perfectly, or very well for that matter. That's why content scores are always laughable to me. In reality, the content scores should be significantly higher than the achievement scores at the beginning of the season and that gap should close over the season. It's silly in it's subjectivity any way. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilme861 Posted July 17 Share Posted July 17 2 hours ago, WarriorWay said: I think the entire design staff needs to be let go Have I made a mistake and clicked on the BD thread... Seems like the annual BD post has made it's way over to Crown. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewArpege Posted July 17 Share Posted July 17 1 hour ago, LabMaster said: I'm not worried, they'll clean everything up and, I wouldn't say I'm 100% confident of this but I can see them passing BAC again by finals because of all the stuff they're going to add, And what about what BAC adds? And cleans ? It comes down to what is added, what works once it’s added. How clean can what is added get. Spot on. This is why I always like your posts. Very level-headed. Thank you. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewArpege Posted July 17 Share Posted July 17 38 minutes ago, Vuitton said: Yes, agreed. I think we can assess something is complex and difficult without it being played perfectly, or very well for that matter. That's why content scores are always laughable to me. In reality, the content scores should be significantly higher than the achievement scores at the beginning of the season and that gap should close over the season. It's silly in it's subjectivity any way. Bingo. Content scores drive me nuts in the judging. If they want to say it’s muddy so we don’t give you full credit, then just make that a uniform standard. If that’s the case, I’d agree Crown isn’t clean enough yet to get full credit. Maybe I’m being too empathetic because I know how insanely hard this show would be to march. I think judges will reward them if they execute this show well. Last night was not it. They looked or sounded timid and nervous. But honestly, I’m so proud of them. They are working hard and I’m dying to see where they get this show. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brass Lover Posted July 17 Share Posted July 17 30 minutes ago, NewArpege said: Bingo. Content scores drive me nuts in the judging. If they want to say it’s muddy so we don’t give you full credit, then just make that a uniform standard. If that’s the case, I’d agree Crown isn’t clean enough yet to get full credit. Maybe I’m being too empathetic because I know how insanely hard this show would be to march. I think judges will reward them if they execute this show well. Last night was not it. They looked or sounded timid and nervous. But honestly, I’m so proud of them. They are working hard and I’m dying to see where they get this show. Content vs Achievement scores are great for finals night, but for every other contest they're almost nonsensical in how they're rewarded. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewArpege Posted July 17 Share Posted July 17 4 minutes ago, Brass Lover said: Content vs Achievement scores are great for finals night, but for every other contest they're almost nonsensical in how they're rewarded. Ggrrr. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewArpege Posted July 17 Share Posted July 17 18 minutes ago, Brass Lover said: Content vs Achievement scores are great for finals night, but for every other contest they're almost nonsensical in how they're rewarded. I swear, I’m not grrrring bc I disliked your response. Just bc I wish there was a bit more standardization in scoring approaches. I don’t think it would change anything about rankings. It’s more so for transparency and so people like me stop asking stupid questions trying understand it better. 😀 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brass Lover Posted July 17 Share Posted July 17 13 minutes ago, NewArpege said: I swear, I’m not grrrring bc I disliked your response. Just bc I wish there was a bit more standardization in scoring approaches. I don’t think it would change anything about rankings. It’s more so for transparency and so people like me stop asking stupid questions trying understand it better. 😀 No I understand. I think it's just the best possible set up to reward corps for the difficulty and complexity of what their doing. But like Vuitton said if judges were actually making a direct grade of content the scores would start very high and change little compared to achievement. The reality is our brains want to separate the two since they're different scores, but your content will always be influenced on how well your achieving it in addition to the actual design. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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