A lot can happen in 15 years. (G7 proposal)

[Arrowmarcher]

I know that both eventually won championships and are crowd favorites, but Bluecoats and Crown being in the tour of “champions” with exactly 0 combined titles at the time is funny.

[cfirwin3]

The Boston Crusaders don't need the existence of this thing in order for their championship to be significant.  This (very old) proposal, that died a long time ago, is only coming up again because some people place Boston's championship as some sort of "nail in the coffin" of this proposal.  A chunk of the directors that took part in this aren't in leadership anymore and the proposal failed.

Boston's championship is significant on its own merit and excellence.  Now maybe I'm wrong, but I doubt that BAC wants to be known as the bitter, spiteful, revenge drum corps.  At least I hope not.  Traditionally, that sort of attitude has lead to collapse or exit from DCI.

This proposal didn't go "boom".  It went with a pathetically sustained wheeze... a long time ago.  Frankly I don't see much value in digging through the garbage to find garbage.  It's not like we're digging up some piece of gold... or a hard drive with a hundred billion in bit coin here.

Edited August 12, 2025 by cfirwin3

[TheOneWhoKnows]

27 minutes ago, cfirwin3 said:

The Boston Crusaders don't need the existence of this thing in order for their championship to be significant.  This (very old) proposal, that died a long time ago, is only coming up again because some people place Boston's championship as some sort of "nail in the coffin" of this proposal.  A chunk of the directors that took part in this aren't in leadership anymore and the proposal failed.

Boston's championship is significant on its own merit and excellence.  Now maybe I'm wrong, but I doubt that BAC wants to be known as the bitter, spiteful, revenge drum corps.  At least I hope not.  Traditionally, that sort of attitude has lead to collapse or exit from DCI.

This proposal didn't go "boom".  It went with a pathetically sustained wheeze... a long time ago.  Frankly I don't see much value in digging through the garbage to find garbage.  It's not like we're digging up some piece of gold... or a hard drive with a hundred billion in bit coin here.

I don’t personally see it as vengeful to have them win, but at the time Boston was the one in the headlines of the corps that would be “out”. It’s more just a notable event that they have now won a championship when things could have been very different had G7 been successful. 
 

It also goes to show that any of these corps that haven’t won a championship yet can do it. They can achieve this and that’s very exciting for the activity. 

[MikeRapp]

35 minutes ago, cfirwin3 said:

The Boston Crusaders don't need the existence of this thing in order for their championship to be significant.  This (very old) proposal, that died a long time ago, is only coming up again because some people place Boston's championship as some sort of "nail in the coffin" of this proposal.  A chunk of the directors that took part in this aren't in leadership anymore and the proposal failed.

Boston's championship is significant on its own merit and excellence.  Now maybe I'm wrong, but I doubt that BAC wants to be known as the bitter, spiteful, revenge drum corps.  At least I hope not.  Traditionally, that sort of attitude has lead to collapse or exit from DCI.

This proposal didn't go "boom".  It went with a pathetically sustained wheeze... a long time ago.  Frankly I don't see much value in digging through the garbage to find garbage.  It's not like we're digging up some piece of gold... or a hard drive with a hundred billion in bit coin here.

15 years is a long time but many if not most DCI fans don’t realize that the activity that is today was in great jeopardy at that time. That Boston overcame this short sighted plan to win a gold medal—first of many I believe—is an important part of the story of drum corps.

[MikeRapp]

5 hours ago, jasgre2000 said:

Yeah, there's some good ideas in there that make some sense, but the approach and attitude was ridiculous. 

It was a money and power grab.

The whole idea drips with resentment toward DCI leadership—who obviously aren’t perfect but come on, is this how you work together? The guy in charge saw himself as smarter than everyone in every room. In his pathetic view (which is how all narcissists act) the entire activity would cease to exist unless he was put in charge.

Considering what happened to Cadets, imagine where the activity would be today had this somehow gone through.

I hope some of the ideas DCI had tried to implement can be reconsidered. It seems odd to have each corps pulling a food truck and a merch truck. Maybe I’m not in a position to understand the logistics and financial realities of food and merch, but this seems wildly inefficient.

[Jeff Ream]

4 hours ago, Arrowmarcher said:

I know that both eventually won championships and are crowd favorites, but Bluecoats and Crown being in the tour of “champions” with exactly 0 combined titles at the time is funny.

Crown did have D2/3

 

[Jeff Ream]

2 hours ago, MikeRapp said:

It was a money and power grab.

The whole idea drips with resentment toward DCI leadership—who obviously aren’t perfect but come on, is this how you work together? The guy in charge saw himself as smarter than everyone in every room. In his pathetic view (which is how all narcissists act) the entire activity would cease to exist unless he was put in charge.

Considering what happened to Cadets, imagine where the activity would be today had this somehow gone through.

I hope some of the ideas DCI had tried to implement can be reconsidered. It seems odd to have each corps pulling a food truck and a merch truck. Maybe I’m not in a position to understand the logistics and financial realities of food and merch, but this seems wildly inefficient.

merch in some cases has been consolidated. food however.....corps can barely get housing now....so try getting 2 corps housed together.

[TerriTroop]

4 hours ago, MikeRapp said:

 

I hope some of the ideas DCI had tried to implement can be reconsidered. It seems odd to have each corps pulling a food truck and a merch truck. Maybe I’m not in a position to understand the logistics and financial realities of food and merch, but this seems wildly inefficient.

Having volunteered on food crew for Troop a few times, what I saw is that it is a nonstop operation just to feed one corps the calories needed. I do believe DCI (or at least some corps?) consolidate large deliveries through Sysco when possible to reduce costs. I’d love to see a 5 minute mini documentary about drum corps food service. Those people are the hardest working volunteers in the entire activity, IMO. 

Anyway, G7 is very old news, and I’m glad it never got real traction.

[Jeff Ream]

the G7 original concept and what was proposed in the room was changed a lot by the presenter. While some of the basics were in there, a lot of extras were added by the presenter, and as a result, the other 6 were trapped. Once corps tried to toe the line on both sides of the coin, and the other 15 at the time fought back. over time, and the addition of new faces both within the 7 and others, tempers cooled and more team spirit exists, but it's still fend for yourself in many way. 

[OldCorpsGuy]

1 hour ago, Jeff Ream said:

the G7 original concept and what was proposed in the room was changed a lot by the presenter. While some of the basics were in there, a lot of extras were added by the presenter, and as a result, the other 6 were trapped. Once corps tried to toe the line on both sides of the coin, and the other 15 at the time fought back. over time, and the addition of new faces both within the 7 and others, tempers cooled and more team spirit exists, but it's still fend for yourself in many way. 

And the ultimate irony is said presenter destroyed his own corps to the point they cannot legally exist anymore.