Drum Corps AF Minisode: Member Safety – SCV

[Jeff Ream]

4 minutes ago, olddrummer34 said:

Politics informs your world view. people with other world views would view the same situation as "a demanding coach." Especially back in 2003-2004. Times have changed, so viewing this with a 2025 lense obviously it would be unacceptable. But this was 2003-2004. There are many teachers, including the one mentioned in the podcast, who taught this way then, and upon learning better teaching styles and philosophies, have adopted better teaching strategies. Adam Sage is a professional teacher. he still works in the activity. Clearly there are plenty of students of his who did not feel victimized by the time they spent in his guard. In the world of sports, especially mens sports, it is WAY worse. I had a son participate in HS football - the coaches were incredibly demanding, and this was just a few years ago. I could see how it could ruffle feathers, but for my kid - it worked and was effective. 

demanding is one thing. some of whats mentioned goes beyond that, especially concerning injury

[olddrummer34]

12 minutes ago, Jeff Ream said:

demanding is one thing. some of whats mentioned goes beyond that, especially concerning injury

You know that corps didn't have medical staffs back then right? And that drum corps staff members are not medical professionals? Again, 2025 lense. Yes, it would be dealt with differently now. But this was 20+ years ago. Remember when a crown member BROKE THEIR LEG at finals because of an unaddressed injury? Who is cancelling those instructors or speaking out on a podcast about them. Matt Harloff is in that group remember? And BTW - the crown guy who BROKE HIS LEG now works for the corps. He clearly has a differently outlook about his injury in drum corps. 

[Jeff Ream]

4 minutes ago, olddrummer34 said:

You know that corps didn't have medical staffs back then right? And that drum corps staff members are not medical professionals? Again, 2025 lense. Yes, it would be dealt with differently now. But this was 20+ years ago. Remember when a crown member BROKE THEIR LEG at finals because of an unaddressed injury? Who is cancelling those instructors or speaking out on a podcast about them. Matt Harloff is in that group remember? And BTW - the crown guy who BROKE HIS LEG now works for the corps. He clearly has a differently outlook about his injury in drum corps. 

so someone i marched with in the 90's....DCA no less....if someone had an injury, they called an ambulance or got the member to a medical facility. the 90's. in DCA. not DCI...weekend corps, half the time driving to our show sites, not living on a bus all summer. spare me the lense. if little old Westshore could do it, major DCI corps could do it too.

 

and the mentlaity you're displaying is why it took DCI so long to get this #### right.

[olddrummer34]

3 minutes ago, Jeff Ream said:

so someone i marched with in the 90's....DCA no less....if someone had an injury, they called an ambulance or got the member to a medical facility. the 90's. in DCA. not DCI...weekend corps, half the time driving to our show sites, not living on a bus all summer. spare me the lense. if little old Westshore could do it, major DCI corps could do it too.

 

and the mentlaity you're displaying is why it took DCI so long to get this #### right.

Im not displaying any mentality. I am simply pointing out that standards were way different in 2003-2004. And again - what about the crown injury? Where is the podcast about those staff members, who are all still teaching in the activity? Why just Adam Sage? 

Because the world view of these individuals led them to view themselves as victims. I am making no judgement on it - but those are the facts. The world view of many others is that it was demanding, but not abusive for 2003-2004 standards.

If you truly believe it was abusive, you better be on the phone to DCI getting Adam Sage and so many others (Matt Harloff) out of this activity for abuse - because you feel so strongly that abusers have no place in DCI. Either that or you are just upset on the internet and doing nothing to help this "abusive situation". 

[MikeN]

Good lord.  

Mike

[Jeff Ream]

2 hours ago, olddrummer34 said:

Im not displaying any mentality. I am simply pointing out that standards were way different in 2003-2004. And again - what about the crown injury? Where is the podcast about those staff members, who are all still teaching in the activity? Why just Adam Sage? 

Because the world view of these individuals led them to view themselves as victims. I am making no judgement on it - but those are the facts. The world view of many others is that it was demanding, but not abusive for 2003-2004 standards.

If you truly believe it was abusive, you better be on the phone to DCI getting Adam Sage and so many others (Matt Harloff) out of this activity for abuse - because you feel so strongly that abusers have no place in DCI. Either that or you are just upset on the internet and doing nothing to help this "abusive situation". 

clearly you're reading way too much into the words typed so you can glorify the good old days.

 

as i listened to the episode, some of it i was like "whatever". Some of it i thought even in that day and age, shouldn't have been allowed to happen.

[Lance]

2 hours ago, olddrummer34 said:

You know that corps didn't have medical staffs back then right? And that drum corps staff members are not medical professionals? Again, 2025 lense. Yes, it would be dealt with differently now. But this was 20+ years ago. Remember when a crown member BROKE THEIR LEG at finals because of an unaddressed injury? Who is cancelling those instructors or speaking out on a podcast about them. Matt Harloff is in that group remember? And BTW - the crown guy who BROKE HIS LEG now works for the corps. He clearly has a differently outlook about his injury in drum corps. 

You don't speak for Harloff or the person who broke their leg with Crown and now works for them.  If either of them is on the record agreeing with anything you've said about the FMM who spoke on the podcast, post it.  Otherwise you're just making stuff up.  Knock it off. 

You think the behavior is fine.  You've made it very clear.  

 

Edited August 28, 2025 by Lance

[Jurassic Lancer]

2 hours ago, olddrummer34 said:

Im not displaying any mentality.

Noted

[contraguard05]

On 8/27/2025 at 11:02 AM, olddrummer34 said:

Listened to the podcast episode. Both of the podcast guests seem to have VERY clear political views and - dare I say, at times extreme. You can't help but think this informs how they view their abuse in the corps. For many  that participated - it wasn't abuse and they are fine and proud of have marched SCV. For them - later in life they now view it as abuse. Im not sure how to feel about it. 

There's also the possibility that their bad experiences at the hands of people they trusted to act in their best interests might have pushed them towards sociopolitical views that prioritize accountability and reform.

[greg_orangecounty]

None of that should have ever happened to Ms. Yankee, or anyone else, and I'm glad she spoke out.  To this day some still have not for whatever reason.  I think she could have had an even wider audience but she needed to work on her delivery in my humble opinion.  

I wish her the best.