Drum Corps AF Minisode: Member Safety – SCV

[olddrummer34]

16 hours ago, Lance said:

You don't speak for Harloff or the person who broke their leg with Crown and now works for them.  If either of them is on the record agreeing with anything you've said about the FMM who spoke on the podcast, post it.  Otherwise you're just making stuff up.  Knock it off. 

You think the behavior is fine.  You've made it very clear.  

 

Im not saying they have anything to do with the podcast???

I am saying, at Carolina crown, in 2010, an injured member marched at finals and famously broke their leg in front of the finals audience. Why are we not angry with those instructors that had him march with an injury? You don;t think he was pressured to "get through finals" by the staff??

The truth is, we will all say how much we support these individuals and that's great, and  despite what many of you think, I don't think what happened to them is acceptable, especially in 2025. But nothing will ever happen because of this. Adam sage will continue to teach in DCI, WGI, BOA, etc.... So are we just talk or also action? What steps are being taken to make sure this doesn't happen anymore? Is Adam Sage being investigated by DCI or WGI? No. 

And corps have already made HUGE changes to member safety and injury protocol. So what will we do now with this information about SCV 2003-2004? How do we get accountability for this abuse? 

Edited August 29, 2025 by olddrummer34

[rollinthrurolls]

Sometimes I think middle school kids are bad. Then I come here and read crap like this...

[Chief Guns]

11 minutes ago, olddrummer34 said:

Im not saying they have anything to do with the podcast???

I am saying, at Carolina crown, in 2010, an injured member marched at finals and famously broke their leg in front of the finals audience. Why are we not angry with those instructors that had him march with an injury? You don;t think he was pressured to "get through finals" by the staff??

The truth is, we will all say how much we support these individuals and that's great, and  despite what many of you think, I don't think what happened to them is acceptable, especially in 2025. But nothing will ever happen because of this. Adam sage will continue to teach in DCI, WGI, BOA, etc.... So are we just talk or also action? What steps are being taken to make sure this doesn't happen anymore? Is Adam Sage being investigated by DCI or WGI? No. 

And corps have already made HUGE changes to member safety and injury protocol. So what will we do now with this information about SCV 2003-2004? How do we get accountability for this abuse? 

Regarding the young man that broke his leg at finals, was that a freak accident, or was there some type of injury (hairline fracture as an example) that had happened previously which ended up being one of the reasons he broke his leg?

And if there was a previous leg injury, do we know 100% for certain that the staff knew about it, and then proceeded to force the young man to march anyway knowing the risk at hand.  

[olddrummer34]

8 minutes ago, rollinthrurolls said:

Sometimes I think middle school kids are bad. Then I come here and read crap like this...

What specifically are you taking issue with? I am just asking a question. What will be done? 

[olddrummer34]

Just now, Chief Guns said:

Regarding the young man that broke his leg at finals, was that a freak accident, or was there some type of injury (hairline fracture as an example) that had happened previously which ended up being one of the reasons he broke his leg?

And if there was a previous leg injury, do we know 100% for certain that the staff knew about it, and then proceeded to force the young man to march anyway knowing the risk at hand.  

Yes he was injured and yes the staff knew. And why are we not asking these same questions about SCV? Did the staff know or know the severity? The injury happened outside of rehearsal according to the podcast. 

[Chief Guns]

6 minutes ago, olddrummer34 said:

Yes he was injured and yes the staff knew. And why are we not asking these same questions about SCV? Did the staff know or know the severity? The injury happened outside of rehearsal according to the podcast. 

I was just simply asking a question. I knew about the unfortunate injury, and God Bless that young man as I wouldn't wish that on anyone. But I didn't know the details (if any) leading up to the injury.  

[Jeff Ream]

14 hours ago, greg_orangecounty said:

None of that should have ever happened to Ms. Yankee, or anyone else, and I'm glad she spoke out.  To this day some still have not for whatever reason.  I think she could have had an even wider audience but she needed to work on her delivery in my humble opinion.  

I wish her the best. 

agreed. glad she acknowledged that sometimes her delivery hurt more than helped.

[Ashontheinternet]

3 hours ago, Jeff Ream said:

agreed. glad she acknowledged that sometimes her delivery hurt more than helped.

she seemed really humble im the podcast episode. speaking out about things like this can be extremely emotive, given its such a passionate topic. i mean, she literally like studied physical conditioning and stuff as a result of this so she could help other prevent similar things. if an experience you have impacts your life enough that it completely shapes the future you envision, i can understand why they can be emotive and defensive when discussing it.

[Ashontheinternet]

23 hours ago, olddrummer34 said:

Im not displaying any mentality. I am simply pointing out that standards were way different in 2003-2004. And again - what about the crown injury? Where is the podcast about those staff members, who are all still teaching in the activity? Why just Adam Sage? 

Because the world view of these individuals led them to view themselves as victims. I am making no judgement on it - but those are the facts. The world view of many others is that it was demanding, but not abusive for 2003-2004 standards.

If you truly believe it was abusive, you better be on the phone to DCI getting Adam Sage and so many others (Matt Harloff) out of this activity for abuse - because you feel so strongly that abusers have no place in DCI. Either that or you are just upset on the internet and doing nothing to help this "abusive situation". 

medical neglect is abuse. not every victim of abuse responds to it the same way. some people will totally block out the emotional turmoil.

these people from scv care about scv and dci, hence why they are not trying to take legal action or whatever. again, speaking out about negative experiences *is* good. 

if the person from scv had a broken foot, the staff should not make them march. if the person from crown had a leg injury, they should not march. these are preventative measures to ensure these young people are healthy going into the future. these people are not trying to tear anything down, they're trying to build a better and safer environment so that drum corps remains a positive space. 

if my high school marching band could take member health and safety into consideration, so can these world class drum corps. 

furthermore, you mention earlier, as a completely boggling defense, that "some of these corps didn't have medical staff," how does that make anything better or justifiable? again, neither did my high school, but when we had a student dislocate his knee, we called for an ambulance. 

medical neglect IS abuse. it always has been. time period does not change this. so many young marchers who participated in drum corps or even high school band have suffered life altering injuries, no matter how minor they may be, at the hands of medical neglect. 

not to mention as well, but they even talk about the staff being highly critical and inflammatory regarding guard members weight. that's absurd in any regard. it's one thing to want to keep students in good health, it's another to take their cookies, criticize underweight student's food consumption, and encourage unhealthy and unrealistic weight standards, all while working these kids to the bone in the one of most physically demanding activities a young person can do. THAT is abuse. through and through.

kids these days arent being soft for expecting our team activities to account for our health and safety. suffering is a necessary thing to help people develop, but leave the suffering to things like loss in the family, and keep the suffering out of our youth team activities. 

i truly wish you could see it this way.

Edited August 29, 2025 by Ashontheinternet
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[Jeff Ream]

29 minutes ago, Ashontheinternet said:

she seemed really humble im the podcast episode. speaking out about things like this can be extremely emotive, given its such a passionate topic. i mean, she literally like studied physical conditioning and stuff as a result of this so she could help other prevent similar things. if an experience you have impacts your life enough that it completely shapes the future you envision, i can understand why they can be emotive and defensive when discussing it.

oh i get it totally. and i remember many messages back and forth trying to let her know that if she backed off some, it'd help her. maybe not with the SCV defenders at all costs, but the activity in general