CabsMello Posted February 4 Posted February 4 (edited) I just saw an article from the L.A. Times that Spanish figure skater Tomas-Llorenc Guarino Sabate was initially informed (very) recently that he would not be permitted to use the medley of Minions music for his short program for the Olympics due to copyright restrictions with the music. However it looks, suspiciously, like after media got the word out that Universal is now going to grant him permission on the grounds of "special use / special event" circumstances and that the power that be are hashing out all the remaining impediments. So not just Drum Corps is getting caught up in all this. Bob https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/movies/story/2026-02-03/olympics-spanish-figure-skater-minions-program-music Edited February 4 by CabsMello 1 Quote
cixelsyd Posted February 4 Posted February 4 Two questions arise from this article: 1. Does that mean this skater performed all season using music that was not cleared? 2. Are figure skaters having derivative works created from copyrighted music, legally comparable to when a drum corps designer arranges music for different instrumentation than the original work? Quote
Lance Posted February 4 Posted February 4 drum corps and figure skating represent an infinitesimal mote of the extent to which copyright/ip law impacts content creators and other creatives. and I rarely think the entities holding IP rights are in the wrong when they go after creatives who use IP's they own for free or without permission. 1 Quote
gak27 Posted February 4 Posted February 4 ...and who knows what will happen should he catch fire and be in medal contention and prime time viewing opportunity costs.... Quote
OldCorpsGuy Posted February 5 Posted February 5 16 hours ago, gak27 said: ...and who knows what will happen should he catch fire and be in medal contention and prime time viewing opportunity costs.... This is where most people filing copyright complaints are short sighted. They are using your music in the Olympics. They are going to post what the music is. What does “free advertising and exposure” mean to you? 3 Quote
Slingerland Posted February 5 Posted February 5 9 minutes ago, OldCorpsGuy said: This is where most people filing copyright complaints are short sighted. They are using your music in the Olympics. They are going to post what the music is. What does “free advertising and exposure” mean to you? By that standard, if you're a bathroom remodeler and you have a client who likes your work so much they post pics online, they shouldn't have to pay you for your work, since they're giving you "free advertising and exposure." Creating is work. Those who create original work should expect to be compensated and have rights over how their work is used. It's not really a hard dilemma. 2 Quote
MikeN Posted February 5 Posted February 5 Tangentially related, but there's no better thread out there, our drum corps friendly composer Christopher Tin (Carolina Crown, Vanguard Cadets among others) got commissioned to compose a new ending to Turandot (which was unfinished) for the Washington National Opera for the opera's 100th anniversary. Out of that, he did an custom arrangement of his new finale for Japanese figure skater Yuma Kagiyama to use at the Olympics. Keep an eye out for that one. Mike 2 Quote
Lance Posted February 5 Posted February 5 50 minutes ago, Slingerland said: By that standard, if you're a bathroom remodeler and you have a client who likes your work so much they post pics online, they shouldn't have to pay you for your work, since they're giving you "free advertising and exposure." Creating is work. Those who create original work should expect to be compensated and have rights over how their work is used. It's not really a hard dilemma. The people who need to understand this never will. For IP creators who still hold rights to their own work, you don't get to tell them what to do with it. You may like the idea of your work featured in the Olympics for free, but everybody is not you. Composers like Maslanka were probably offered very attractive financial compensation for the use of their work, but it wasn't what he wanted to see done with his IP. Creative types can be fiercely protective of their labors of love. When it comes to corporations seeking out copyright violations, remember that somebody created an IP and CHOSE to sell it to another entity, whether it be a corporation or whatever else. That entity gets to choose who can use it and for what price. Period. Quote
KVG_DC Posted February 5 Posted February 5 3 hours ago, OldCorpsGuy said: This is where most people filing copyright complaints are short sighted. They are using your music in the Olympics. They are going to post what the music is. What does “free advertising and exposure” mean to you? In addition to the 'creating is work' argument, my understanding of how copyright laws work is "if you don't defend it, you effectively don't have it." So, say they don't defend their rights to the license for the olympics because 'hey millions of people world wide will be hearing my name associated with my creative composition!' Then some corporation hocks it for a project and makes a ton of money using it. You sue the corporation and the court determination is ... "tough luck kid, you didn't defend your copyright before that." So SOME form of licensing needs to be there so artists can control the decision, and ideally the fee, for their work in different situations, but where lawyers are involved, fees go up. 1 Quote
cixelsyd Posted February 5 Posted February 5 4 hours ago, Slingerland said: Creating is work. Those who create original work should expect to be compensated and have rights over how their work is used. It's not really a hard dilemma. Evidently it is hard, judging from how many rights holders take six months, a year, or longer to respond to requests. Quote
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