wolfgang Posted May 12 Posted May 12 What is an aspect of drum corps that everybody kind of accepts, but really should be questioned? If you want to experience this firsthand, bring a total newbie to a show. Quote
Super Don-O Posted May 12 Posted May 12 Ok, I'll risk a response. Here's something that gets mentioned every now and then, but usually gets pretty roundly rejected very quickly. Why is there no criterion in the GE judging sheets that allows the judges to gauge audience reactions. "You had them on their feet" "Huge ovation there for that section" "The crowd was literally holding their breath during that quiet emotional moment, you pulled them right in" Not suggesting that there be an applause-o-meter or anything, and I recognize that there will always be a home team bias, but if we want to demonstrate that a corps has communicated their ideas well it seems to me that the reactions of those being communicated to are a valuable indicator. Naturally the judges with their technical training and experience will be able to see and evaluate a performance in far greater depth than an average audience member, and that should remain the primary basis of their scoring, but what would be the harm in letting them also factor in a little of what they see happening in the stands? 1 Quote
Slingerland Posted May 13 Posted May 13 My counter to the "crowd response" would be to watch 4 or 5 WGI guards on Finals night. Screaming adulation for EVERY. F___ING. THING. Now, are drum corps crowds more sophisticated? Yeah, generally I think they are. Does that mean that we don't also get up and respond to things that are, in hindsight, less than excellent from a design/concept level? No, we do. Truthfully, the Troopers' "devil" stuff a few years that got a big response could be stocked at the Mars Cheese Castle and it would fit right in, and you'd hate to see that being rewarded over things that weren't as obvious but had more artistic merit. So while I have problems with GE being as heavily weighted as it is (30% of the score, as on the original sheets, is more in scale), I would hate to see anyone get rewarded for playing to the groundlings if there's a better artistic impulse that could be served. 3 2 Quote
Sh0uldN0t Posted May 13 Posted May 13 3 hours ago, wolfgang said: What is an aspect of drum corps that everybody kind of accepts, but really should be questioned? G-bugle hornlines were superior. Doesn't pass the ear test. And this from someone who heard his first corps in the early 70s. Today's Bb hornlines sound better. Period. 1 6 Quote
cixelsyd Posted May 13 Posted May 13 13 hours ago, wolfgang said: What is an aspect of drum corps that everybody kind of accepts, but really should be questioned? Budgets. 3 3 Quote
verzephobe Posted May 13 Posted May 13 The erasure of all-female corps. Why have there been no efforts to revive any of them? 3 1 Quote
waliman4444 Posted May 13 Posted May 13 I think that we accept that World Class Drum Corps is financially restricted for those that can't afford the rising costs associated with the current touring model..peace 5 Quote
MikeN Posted May 13 Posted May 13 1 hour ago, verzephobe said: The erasure of all-female corps. Why have there been no efforts to revive any of them? We were 90% of the way to starting one in Austin in Soundsport (was going to be called the Valkyries), we had the back end sorted, fundraising was a go, had gotten DCI thumbs up and were going to be playing the national anthem for a show in Texas to get the word out. Then the pandemic hit, and that was that. Mike 2 1 Quote
Jeff Ream Posted May 13 Posted May 13 15 hours ago, Super Don-O said: Ok, I'll risk a response. Here's something that gets mentioned every now and then, but usually gets pretty roundly rejected very quickly. Why is there no criterion in the GE judging sheets that allows the judges to gauge audience reactions. "You had them on their feet" "Huge ovation there for that section" "The crowd was literally holding their breath during that quiet emotional moment, you pulled them right in" Not suggesting that there be an applause-o-meter or anything, and I recognize that there will always be a home team bias, but if we want to demonstrate that a corps has communicated their ideas well it seems to me that the reactions of those being communicated to are a valuable indicator. Naturally the judges with their technical training and experience will be able to see and evaluate a performance in far greater depth than an average audience member, and that should remain the primary basis of their scoring, but what would be the harm in letting them also factor in a little of what they see happening in the stands? effect is not just generating applause, that's why. Shows i never would have liked as a fan were very effective when looking at the sheets. 3 Quote
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