KeithHall Posted February 7, 2005 Share Posted February 7, 2005 Since Ken Kobold passed away and his recordings are "lost"......would anyone happen to have a recording or recordings of my old drum corps The Royal Coachmen from North Tonawanda, NY? I used to have 1976 from Ken, but a friend of mine "borrowed" it and I haven't seen him or it since. This reason for putting his recordings in storage is a bit odd to me....if I played on it, shouldn't I be able to have a copy? So every member owns that recording right? I'll wait for the "experts" to respond to that. In the mean time....anyone have the old recordings? Huh? Please!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironlips Posted February 7, 2005 Share Posted February 7, 2005 I understand how you feel about recordings you played on. I have found some of my 1960s and '70s performances on eBay. The Kobold masters belong to DCI now. That was a provision in his will, I believe. It seems at least some of these will be released (probably for download) sometime soon. Playing on a recording does not convey "ownership" of the recording. That is retained by the record company, but your "heart and soul" connection is undeniable. Try contacting user "Audiodb" on this board for advice. He is an expert. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiverRat Posted February 7, 2005 Share Posted February 7, 2005 I understand how you feel about recordings you played on. I have found some of my 1960s and '70s performances on eBay. The Kobold masters belong to DCI now. That was a provision in his will, I believe. It seems at least some of these will be released (probably for download) sometime soon.Playing on a recording does not convey "ownership" of the recording. That is retained by the record company, but your "heart and soul" connection is undeniable. Try contacting user "Audiodb" on this board for advice. He is an expert. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Steve Vickers himself replied to me that Ken's master tapes have all been transferred to digital media but that it was in his will that they not be sold to anyone. I've tried too.... :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironlips Posted February 7, 2005 Share Posted February 7, 2005 (edited) Paul, Your info may be more current, but I think the transfers are still in process. As for the "being sold" proviso, my understanding is that Ken's intention was that DCI, per se, not make a profit from these. I doubt that means that no one should ever get to hear them again. DCI is a non-profit organization by definition. There may be some negotiation room here. And, now that I think of it, audiodb posts on the Sound Machine drum corps page under that screen name. I'm not sure he uses it on DCP. Edited February 8, 2005 by ironlips Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
audiodb Posted February 8, 2005 Share Posted February 8, 2005 Did someone mention my name? Anyhow, getting to the topic at hand.... Steve Vickers himself replied to me that Ken's master tapes have all been transferred to digital media but that it was in his will that they not be sold to anyone. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> That is obviously not correct. At one time, there was some confusion about that, though (when Sam Mitchell was running DCI). The tapes belong to DCI now, and DCI can use them however they wish. The main obstacle to making them available has been music licensing, but DCI has made progress in their dealings with the licensing agencies recently. The audio performance downloads (APDs) of division II/III corps last year would not have been possible without DCI's licensing leverage. There is now hope that the historical recordings can be made available as APDs in the future. It won't happen all at once, but you should see an initial offering this summer. We'll hear more when DCI has worked out the details. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeithHall Posted February 8, 2005 Author Share Posted February 8, 2005 YEAH!!!! Maybe before I die I'll listen to my youth again!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiverRat Posted February 8, 2005 Share Posted February 8, 2005 OK, I re-read the email I got from Steve V back in October. I guess there is a chance... When Ken passed away, his will left the master tapes to DCI and specified that they not be used to make money. There is also a copyright clearance problem on a huge amount of the music that is contained on the tapes. DCI has, so far, indicated they will never make the material available. Perhaps someday they'll change their mind or figure out how to clear the music with BMI, ASCAP and the Harry Morris Agency. In the meantime, rest assured that all of the material has been preserved. Every minute of every reel-to-reel tape has been transferred to digital computer files to ensure that these historical recordings are not lost forever. The people who own the Stetson D. Richmond and Alf Wateska collection are willing to allow that material to be used and that's where the 50 CDs come from. Likewise, Dale Johnson's material is also available (38 CDs). Steve Vickers, Publisher Drum Corps World www.drumcorpsworld.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
audiodb Posted February 9, 2005 Share Posted February 9, 2005 When Ken passed away, his will left the master tapes to DCI and specified that they not be used to make money. That's the part that was misunderstood back in 1994. DCI can use the material however they wish. There is some verbage in the agreement to prevent others from seeking profit from use of the tapes. That guards against departing DCI employees using Kobold's recordings as their own personal "pension plan" or "severance package". ^0^ Obviously, DCI is allowed to make money from Kobold's recordings. There would be no media available from 1972-1981 if that weren't true. The whole reason Kobold volunteered his services as DCI's recording engineer in the first place was so that DCI would make money. That revenue was vital to DCI's survival. I've heard it said that without the proceeds from recording sales, there would not have been a DCI in 1973. Ken Kobold's efforts in this regard are public record - that's why he is in the DCI Hall of Fame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CabsMello Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 Apologize for bringing up this potentially third rail topic again but it's a subject near and dear to my heart. Listening to audio recordings of drum corps is literally my kryptonite. In my best James T Kirk voice "just ... can't .... help ... myself"!!! So are we (the collective drum corps community) making any inroads on this issue.? Obviously the Kobold recordings are still, to the best of my knowledge, stored at DCI. But now I understand the Richmond/Wateska recordings are no longer available because of copyright issues; at least that's what the email exchange I had recently with Steve Vickers informed me of. There are a couple of sources still available (which I will not identify here as I would hate to see them have to close up shop) but the well is drying up quickly. I understand the whole intellectual property, licensing, and distribution of profits thing and I agree we don't want to steal from those who are due, but I'm not sure I understand how drum corps recordings from 1960 thru say the early to mid 90's could be much of a potential windfall income source. But, I may be wrong. Thanks for reading. Bob Delaney Despite my user ID, any discussions I have a part of, or views shared within these discussions, are solely my own and are in no way meant to represent the thoughts or interests of any organization which I have been a part of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Hall Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 DCI doesn't want to give it up! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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