81regiment Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 Chuck, how dare you introduce facts, informed analysis and carefully crafted argument into this forum! Heresay and groundless accusations are much more effective.Seriously, thanks for a thoughtful, intelligent post. Awwwww, I dunno nothin'. I jus' cut an' paste like Mr. Gates sez. :P :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wayback Posted May 19, 2006 Share Posted May 19, 2006 Reading Oil Lovers rationalize over prices, and availability, etc is like reading a junkie explain why heroin is medicine. Spoken like people sitting on the seat of empire. It's not about affording it, or getting it, or finding it (or finding something new to burn), it's about never burning anything, anymore,anywhere-and very soon. It's about xenoestrogens in the water and dioxin in the air. We can burn (whatever), but so will India, and China. Can you live with that?Have you been to China? Could you breathe? See 50 yards? Americans are so insular. Combustion vs non-combustion ("fair and balanced" version) = creation vs evolution flat earth vs science We rrreeeeaaalllyyyy want to believe that we are right, but that does not make it so Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
81regiment Posted May 19, 2006 Share Posted May 19, 2006 (edited) Reading Oil Lovers rationalize over prices, and availability, etc is like reading a junkie explain why heroin is medicine. Spoken like people sitting on the seat of empire.It's not about affording it, or getting it, or finding it (or finding something new to burn), it's about never burning anything, anymore,anywhere-and very soon. It's about xenoestrogens in the water and dioxin in the air. We can burn (whatever), but so will India, and China. Can you live with that?Have you been to China? Could you breathe? See 50 yards? Americans are so insular. Combustion vs non-combustion ("fair and balanced" version) = creation vs evolution flat earth vs science We rrreeeeaaalllyyyy want to believe that we are right, but that does not make it so Now there's some "analysis" I can use. Like I said in my preface - accusatory without proof: I'm am oil lover, I'm rationalizing, I sit on the seat of empire, I don't understand economics, I have no understanding of China's air quality, I am insular. Nice to meet you too, rookie. Wishing your view on the world doesn't make it so either. We've been living with laundry list of risks since the beginning of time. I think I'll make it through the next 85 millions barrels without batting an eye. Has anyone seen my empire? Edited May 19, 2006 by 81regiment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammondbrass Posted May 19, 2006 Share Posted May 19, 2006 Can anyone say "BioWilly?" http://www.wnbiodiesel.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
81regiment Posted May 20, 2006 Share Posted May 20, 2006 Can anyone say "BioWilly?"http://www.wnbiodiesel.com/ Can anyone say "water fuel?" http://domesticfuel.com/?cat=22 Click on the water fuel link. Wait til the Saud family sees this... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zachariaswmb Posted May 20, 2006 Share Posted May 20, 2006 Chuck, that's awesome. There's really nothing else to say about that. Just freakin' awesome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl306 Posted May 20, 2006 Share Posted May 20, 2006 Carl306, sorry that I'm quoting you, but when someone says there is a 6-to-1 ratio imbalance and it is taken at face value to explain why the world is out of sorts, I gotta stand up and call BS. I'm not attacking you - your post raised my interest in how far apart perception and reality really are, but several subsequent posts here have raised my ire for they are either 1) plain wrong, or 2) accusatory with no substantive evidence to support the claims. I got a 99% on my paper. Obviously I didn't go into the same amount of depth as you did, but it got my point across as far as my English teacher is concerned with a 1000 word (1200 max). I'm glad you took things a step further and actually explained it all! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDempsey Posted May 20, 2006 Share Posted May 20, 2006 Im an econ prof at a University in Russia and have taught at Cornell, Rutgers and the Univ of Florida. I lived in Israel for a year (very little arab oil going to Israel..count on that) and there is ALOT of hydrogen fuel cell being used from motorcycles to cars to busses to heating and cooling and powering an entire house. I looked into getting the same technology for my house in Florida and guess what? Its illegal to do so. If our politics/gov/business wasnt so intertwined with self interest we would be trying more alternatives. Israel uses wind/wave/thermal and many other options we simply dont try in the USA. Several cities in Germany use fuel cell busses for public transport and fuel cell cars for their government vehicles. Its a viable, clean and cheap alternative. Thats the problem, no one has found a way to make a profit on it When someone finds a way to make a profit on hydrogen you can bet it will catch on very quickly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomPeashey Posted May 20, 2006 Share Posted May 20, 2006 Mike, you always were in a world of your own (compliment!) and you've lived a life that proved that... you have a resume that is somewhat mind boggling... and you left out owning your own remodeling company in Orlando.. and a fair amount of hobknobbing with the celebrity set (hollywood types and jet setters)... It's always fun whenever we compare notes and memories - I only wish it could be more often... You have a place to stay if you're ever in the Northwest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrumCorpsFan27 Posted May 20, 2006 Share Posted May 20, 2006 I wish America would become enegery indepent. I just saw something on Brazil and they are about too. They use sugar cane to make E100 and they have flexfuel cars that work on both gasoline and E100. I wish America would use our source of E85 and become more indepent. What? And those profits out of Bush and Cheney's pockets??? Not a chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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