raphael18 Posted March 5, 2007 Author Share Posted March 5, 2007 If the Cavaliers were designing a show non-conceptually, they would place their effects elsewhere, but there would STILL be effects! Does this make any sense? If you take out their concept, of course the show doesn't win, but that's because you're taking out all of the effects. To me, it's almost like saying, if some corps didn't do the shout section in their show, would they still have won? No! They're cutting out the release of an effect! But if they knew going into this designwise that they couldn't use a shout section, they would have planned accordingly. This is a rarity, so get your recording devices ready - this is something that the Cavaliers do that I really appreciate. There I said it...what is the world comming to. :) I appreciate that although they have other gimmicks that convey their concept, they do not rely on soloists and story telling. They play music that adequately conveys the theme, and perform visuals accordingly. For me, that is one of their better accomplishments - they do not rely on individuals to convey the message, rather, they allow the entire group to participate in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake_the_hydra Posted March 5, 2007 Share Posted March 5, 2007 competitive credit is no longer given to performing a demanding show that isn't performed as cleanly as a less demanding show that is perfect. watch 1993 cadets. that corps would be lucky to get 6th in field visual today. Not necessarily . . . Four Corners got a lot of credit because of how difficult it was to perform. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mouthpiece1234 Posted March 5, 2007 Share Posted March 5, 2007 (edited) Yes, cadets march fast but they surely do not move as much as the cavaliers do. other corps do more "traditional" drills, if it makes sense. The Cadets march and play much more than the Cavaliers do by the way. Many times the faster moving lines will be played standing still as opposed to marching and playing them. Watch 2002 Cavaliers and 2006 Cavaliers to a Cadet show out there. You'll probably see that the Cadets move and play at the same time way more frequently than the Cavaliers Edited March 5, 2007 by Mouthpiece1234 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteWaterCavie Posted March 5, 2007 Share Posted March 5, 2007 The Cadets march and play much more than the Cavaliers do by the way. based on what? your perception? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mouthpiece1234 Posted March 5, 2007 Share Posted March 5, 2007 based on what? your perception? Well it's just something I was told and noticed more of lately. The Cavies have their horns down a lot, they're moving like crazy, but they're don't march and play as much. Like 2006 Cavaliers, most of the instrumental features were at holds, the Cadets had their horns up and marched much more frequently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ApocalypseTissue Posted March 5, 2007 Share Posted March 5, 2007 based on what? your perception? he does have a point. they really do have their horns down a lot compared to the cadets look at 02 06 cavies and 05 and 06 cadets. those horns are at a carry pretty frequently compared to the cadets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idontwan2know Posted March 5, 2007 Share Posted March 5, 2007 As far as '03 and '05 are concerned and how other corps were able to beat them, I think it's different in each case. In '03, for the first time in many years, BD got their music book right from a program standpoint...flow, pace, transitions were all just right. Cavies also just went a bit too "out there" that year and opened the door. '05 I thought was just not a very good show musically and no amount of ladders or homeruns could fix it. Rough transitions and the corps performed it like they hated it. As far as the dot system goes, I don't think it's really a significant factor over other methods. The Cavies were using the dot system long before 2000. Sure, it emphasizes individual responsibility, which is great. But if BD were dominating, you could just as easily say that guiding builds the ensemble sense of the performers and produces a tighter ensemble. It's not rocket science. Cavies have had superior design and performance and rock solid consistency at a time when the other contenders have been wandering in the desert trying to find themselves. Cadets, BD and SCV are all going through significant upheavals trying to find new on-field identities for themselves...Regiment has found theirs and as they continue to work out the kinks, I expect them to continue to push Cavies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mouthpiece1234 Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 As far as '03 and '05 are concerned and how other corps were able to beat them, I think it's different in each case. '05 I thought was just not a very good show musically and no amount of ladders or homeruns could fix it. Rough transitions and the corps performed it like they hated it. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom&Phitch Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 Not necessarily . . . Four Corners got a lot of credit because of how difficult it was to perform. that was 5 yrs ago though... times have changed a little... i mean, look at Cavies 2003. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom&Phitch Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 Why does Gore's home in 26 days consume as much energy as the average home in ONE YEAR? and how much does Gore give back in terms of energy as compared to the average home? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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