Hrothgar15 Posted March 9, 2007 Share Posted March 9, 2007 I know corps have done this one in the past, but no one has used it as an entire show (I don't think). I think this might be the greatest work of wind ensemble literature ever written. Do you think this show would work, and if so, who should do it? Phantom Regiment? SCV? Cadets? I'm envisioning something like this: Opener- Arrangement of Tzirani Tzar, Gakavi Yerk, and Hoy, Nazan Eem, the first three sections of Part I Second piece- Khoomar (Wedding Dance), second movement of Part II Ballad- Alagyaz (section four of Part I) Percussion Feeature- Hov Arek, movement I of Part II Closer- Gna, Gna (of course), section four of Part I This would...probably be the best show ever. It would take an amazing arranger (read: Jay Bocook) to condense all of that into eleven-and-a-half minutes. But I think it can be pulled off, and it would be a great way to pay homage to Alfred Reed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeD Posted March 9, 2007 Share Posted March 9, 2007 I know corps have done this one in the past, but no one has used it as an entire show (I don't think). I think this might be the greatest work of wind ensemble literature ever written. Do you think this show would work, and if so, who should do it? Phantom Regiment? SCV? Cadets?I'm envisioning something like this: Opener- Arrangement of Tzirani Tzar, Gakavi Yerk, and Hoy, Nazan Eem, the first three sections of Part I Second piece- Khoomar (Wedding Dance), second movement of Part II Ballad- Alagyaz (section four of Part I) Percussion Feeature- Hov Arek, movement I of Part II Closer- Gna, Gna (of course), section four of Part I This would...probably be the best show ever. It would take an amazing arranger (read: Jay Bocook) to condense all of that into eleven-and-a-half minutes. But I think it can be pulled off, and it would be a great way to pay homage to Alfred Reed. The band I teach has used Part II...actually twice...since 1994. Worked well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geluf Posted March 9, 2007 Share Posted March 9, 2007 The marching band I instruct used it as a show. Just that piece, nothing else. Worked pretty well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hrothgar15 Posted March 9, 2007 Author Share Posted March 9, 2007 The marching band I instruct used it as a show. Just that piece, nothing else. Worked pretty well. Sweet...could you tell me which sections/movements were used? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein On The Beach Posted March 9, 2007 Share Posted March 9, 2007 It's a good piece...but the best wind ensemble work ever written? Really? You really think so? Hammersmith, mountains rising nowhere, Terpsichore by Margolis, hell, even Ticheli's 2nd Symphony. I dunno, I've just never really been big on Alfred Reed, great orchestrator though (for band). However, I've never heard Part 2, how is it compared to Part 1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iplaytimpani Posted March 9, 2007 Share Posted March 9, 2007 It's a good piece...but the best wind ensemble work ever written? Really? You really think so? Hammersmith, mountains rising nowhere, Terpsichore by Margolis, hell, even Ticheli's 2nd Symphony. I dunno, I've just never really been big on Alfred Reed, great orchestrator though (for band). However, I've never heard Part 2, how is it compared to Part 1. Einstein... I've always appreciated your posts and more often than not agreed with your opinions. But I just lost a bit for you for even mentioning Ticheli in a discussion of great wind composers. :P As far as using Armenian in a show, I've always wanted to at least use part 1 just so I could have an 11 person pit all playing tambourine with thumb rolls for a section. I'm a bigger fan of part 1 than part 2, but there is certainly some good music in both of those. A full show.. I'm not so sure. But definately the ending of part 1 would be a great closer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein On The Beach Posted March 9, 2007 Share Posted March 9, 2007 (edited) Einstein... I've always appreciated your posts and more often than not agreed with your opinions. But I just lost a bit for you for even mentioning Ticheli in a discussion of great wind composers. :P As far as using Armenian in a show, I've always wanted to at least use part 1 just so I could have an 11 person pit all playing tambourine with thumb rolls for a section. I'm a bigger fan of part 1 than part 2, but there is certainly some good music in both of those. A full show.. I'm not so sure. But definately the ending of part 1 would be a great closer. It was more like an after thought. Now that I think about it, Barnes Chance is obviously superior to Ticheli. Sorry, I didn't mean to give the impression that I like Frank Ticheli, don't worry :P As far as Armenian Dances as a whole show, I personally don't find the piece as a whole interesting enough to gather material for an entire show. I've yet to really be sold by drum corps' treatments of wind ensemble music for the most part (ie: Cavaliers for pretty much all of the 1990s). I especially can't see Armenian Dances working, it's just so....typical symphonic band. Edited March 9, 2007 by Einstein On The Beach Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelG Posted March 9, 2007 Share Posted March 9, 2007 It was more like an after thought. Now that I think about it, Barnes Chance is obviously superior to Ticheli. Sorry, I didn't mean to give the impression that I like Frank Ticheli, don't worry :PAs far as Armenian Dances as a whole show, I personally don't find the piece as a whole interesting enough to gather material for an entire show. I've yet to really be sold by drum corps' treatments of wind ensemble music for the most part (ie: Cavaliers for pretty much all of the 1990s). I especially can't see Armenian Dances working, it's just so....typical symphonic band. Hey, Ticheli is the BEST composer who EVER wrote for Wind Ensemble ! (that is, if you don't count Karel Husa, Eric Whitacre, Francis Macbeth, Alfred Reed, John Barnes Chance, Aaron Copland, Gustav Holst, Percy Grainger, Paul Hindemith, Ron Nelson, Gordon Jacob, Ralph Vaughn Williams, H. Owen Reed, Vincent Perschetti, William Schumann, Michael Colgrass, Howard Hanson, David Manslanka, Claude T. Smith, Robert Lo Presti, Clifton Williams, Johann de Meji, Michael Daugherty, Philip Spark, Jan Van Der Roost, Jack Stamp, Sir Malcom Arnold, Leonard Bernstein, Donald Hunsberger, Vaclav Nelhybel, Morton Gould, Dana Wilson, Mark Camphouse, Edward Elgar or Arnold Schoenberg and, like, a thousand other people) MG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein On The Beach Posted March 9, 2007 Share Posted March 9, 2007 (edited) Hey, Ticheli is the BEST composer who EVER wrote for Wind Ensemble !(that is, if you don't count Karel Husa, Eric Whitacre, Francis Macbeth, Alfred Reed, John Barnes Chance, Aaron Copland, Gustav Holst, Percy Grainger, Paul Hindemith, Ron Nelson, Gordon Jacob, Ralph Vaughn Williams, H. Owen Reed, Vincent Perschetti, William Schumann, Michael Colgrass, Howard Hanson, David Manslanka, Claude T. Smith, Robert Lo Presti, Clifton Williams, Johann de Meji, Michael Daugherty, Philip Spark, Jan Van Der Roost, Jack Stamp, Sir Malcom Arnold, Leonard Bernstein, Donald Hunsberger, Vaclav Nelhybel, Morton Gould, Dana Wilson, Mark Camphouse, Edward Elgar or Arnold Schoenberg and, like, a thousand other people) MG You know, I actually made some band kids very mad because I said Ticheli wasn't good...at all... but we're straying off topic hahaha Edited March 9, 2007 by Einstein On The Beach Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeD Posted March 9, 2007 Share Posted March 9, 2007 It was more like an after thought. Now that I think about it, Barnes Chance is obviously superior to Ticheli. Sorry, I didn't mean to give the impression that I like Frank Ticheli, don't worry :PAs far as Armenian Dances as a whole show, I personally don't find the piece as a whole interesting enough to gather material for an entire show. I've yet to really be sold by drum corps' treatments of wind ensemble music for the most part (ie: Cavaliers for pretty much all of the 1990s). I especially can't see Armenian Dances working, it's just so....typical symphonic band. I can't imagine using it w/o the woodwinds.... ...so I guess we should wait a few years. ^0^ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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