Blackstar
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From 1972 to 2002 out of a possible 160 corps who placed 10th 11th or 12th 20 corps are no longer around. An estimated total of less then 50 corps held the final three spots over that time.
Corps such as Freelancers placed in the final bottom three 6 times,Velvet Knights also placed 6 times Sky Ryders 5 times, Magic 4 but a total of 5 in its lifetime, North Star & Guardsmen 3 times, Bridgemen, 27th, Kilties twice and a bunch of one shot Commodores, Bleu Raiders, Dutch Boy et al.
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Colts 6 times, Carolina Crown 7 times, Crossmen 5 times, Glassmen twice within the above time frame but take it out to present and they have been in the final 3 spot a total of 9 times, Spirit like Glassmen only appeared 3 times in the time frame, but a total of 8 times, Troopers 4 times but surprisingly 13th or 14th 6 times, Amazingly Cavaliers & Phantom Regiment 3 times, Madison Twice,
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I think more interesting is the 10th to 12th place corps. We lose more of them then the upper upper echolon (sic).
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I
had a rivalary with a tenor 
from the cadets over a rifle from 27 back in the day. Not only did he win the "ship he married the rifle.... 
But it was all good 
since they were married for almost 20 yrs until she passed away . They even had 2 kids. -
I have read about DCI gives out money and how unfair it is. I understand that the larger corps have more cost but it also hurts the smaller corps. The problem is that the larger corps control how things are done. I know people come to see the Blue Devils and not Impluse or Manderins et al. But how will these corps grow if they have to work harder then those ahead of them.
Why can't there be a more equitable split.
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Bumping this back to the front page with another $5 donation. Had a great blessing today so I'm passing some of it on.
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I would be more worried about how they show the actual performance. Watching some of the oder DVD's and Videos it seems like the director has a Pit fetish or is in love with the guard.
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I was in a well funded shool program. But we still did fund raisers out the wazoo. We had to so the paper drive every 2 weeks. We had to the craft show every winter, we had to do alot. Why, because the director wanted us to have the best and the best cost money. Never finishing lower then 3rd in 25 years cost.
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Garfeild, I take back all the bad stuff I ever said about you...okay it wasn't much its a jesture. I sending what I can. Its not much but I know when you're broke anything is alot. $10 to Imperial Sound via snail mail
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Keep them in the pit. Flashy cymbal line moves were cool when that's all we had for "GE".
Couldn't you say that with almost any part of the corps. Don't really need tuba since we have syn's.. don't need trumpets because the pit can carry the melody. Hey lets have a 30 person pit and 120 color guard.
....uuuhhhh NO 
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Okay let me say I'm not trying to be negative about the current DCA management. I'm playing devils advocate.
With all the talk (at least on DCP) about the issues with DCI, I'm wondering why doesn't DCA take the lead and try to find a way to help the activity by letting in Jr's. What I'm thinking is actually adding a third division that willhost several week day shows around the east coast and midwest.
I might be naive but I don't see how much trouble it would be have say 5-7 weekday shows the first year, 10-12 the 2nd and maybe a cap of 20 or 30 shows a year. With the current DCA schedule many Jr's wouldn't be interested but if there was say a 2 week tour with 5 to 7 shows might find greater acceptence.
The reason I titled the thread does DCA need new management I'm wondering if thier more happy to follow what DCI does and keep the status quo? A more agressive management might see the advantage of getting Jr's involved if for no other reason then another revenue stream.
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I think alot of school districts are looking at year round scheduling. When kids only have 2 week breaks in the summer it means parents fitting in vacations and family time. We had to deal with it in Norfolk. They get s week break every so often (forget the exact timing) and a couple of 2 week breaks. Definitely not good for drum corps...at least the current touring model.
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So I guess I'm wrong...no big deal....As long as its a private group they can discriminate...cool, great, wonderful, makes me love the activity even more.......
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I mean, really, do you think the Madison Scouts cymbal line players could have sued the corps for not allowing them to play cymbals between 2 years ago and the previous season? And for that matter, do you think that every cymbal player who wants to march in almost every corps today could sue them for not having a cymbal line? It's a show design choice most importantly.
As as for "tradition"; it probably isn't the only reason. The single gender guard presents a completely different feel for the show that hasn't been seen in quite a few years. Opportunities are both closed and opened by making this choice, and hopefully the choices by the design team and the performers reflect a positive achievement.
Some people seem to be viewing it as a "keeping people out" type of thing, but I'd encourage people to adopt a view as purely a show design choice with a side dish of of keeping true to tradition.
I'm not talking about Cymbals...cymbals...your talking about cymbals (in my best Allen Inverson Voice) I'm talking about discrimination because of SEX, RACE, WEIGHT, CREED, SEXUAL PEFERANCE AND RELIGION. So if the Klan put on a show based on a whites only theme, according to YOU it would be okay because thats what the show calls for. Or overwieght players being denied because the show is called THIN. Once again when that group wanted a black man everyone screamed. Why because its wrong. Having an all male corps is wrong in todays world just like having an all female color guard. I love the Scouts and like the Cavaliers (I would love them but they beat us when I marched). Its 2010. To many people have been denied rights and freedoms because of tradition.
And to answer your question no they would not be able to sue. If they tried out for trumpet and were denied because of SEX, RACE, WEIGHT, CREED, SEXUAL PEFERANCE AND RELIGION then yes they would be able to sue.
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Sorry. Not my intention.
As was suggested in the first place, youl could argue that just because Spears said it doesn't make it wrong. Embrace your inner Britney!
Okay I can understand that..we both had bald heads....I'm not going to talk about the short shorts and thigh high boots....
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Do you know which model of Tama stand? The problem I'm having is that the Pearl one I used to have (and several other "generic" models) don't get high enough.
Mike
If nothing else works just get shorter drummers.....
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Britney Spears in 2003: "Sundance is weird. The movies are weird — you actually have to think about them when you watch them."
To be sure, you and Britney could both have valid points.
double post...because my feeling were so hurt...
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Britney Spears in 2003: "Sundance is weird. The movies are weird — you actually have to think about them when you watch them."
To be sure, you and Britney could both have valid points.
Wow first reply a personal attack.....
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I'm sitting here watching the 84 & 83 final DVD's. I look at these shows and I had to think about why I like this so much better then today's corps. Yes this again.
High Mark Time - People today talk about the speed of todays drill. Try marking time ankle to knee. To my way of thinking its the same as running across the field. I did both and I'll take high time anyday and it looks like your actually marching.
Guard work. I look at Cadets, Blue Devils and especially Vanguard in 84 and it blows me away. The work is so beautiful. yes there is some dancing in all the shows but its still GUARD not dance troop (see Colts/Bluecoats) I watch Madison and they still had that power that makes you sit open mouthed. Now I usually laugh (at what the instructor gives them to do, not the "kids") Props are used to highlight not feature.
Drill, I like pretty pictures. I was watching some corps with my 8yo granddaughter is she kept asking whats that..but she loved the butterfly in Vanguard and other drill patterns she undrstood. My 19yo was the same way. The randomness of the drill never matched whats being played. That bomb in Suncoast show tells a story by itself. Everyone is Salvador Dali when some people what Rockwell.
Concert -The old park and blow. It gives the corp a chance to show some good musicianship and really feature the gaurd. It doesn't have to be 3 mins of standing around but less movement and more music.
No themes - If you play, march and perform the show I'm pretty sure people wouldn't care if the show was called RED, Methodod Madness, Emeraldscapes or nothing at all. For a long time no corps had a theme and did just fine. Now we "have to tell a story" guess what story I want...good music, good drill, good guard work. I listen to drum corps to relax. I don't want to think about why the show is called La Noche de la Iguana and why those guys are running around dressed like that.
Drum Solo's..yes 2 mins of a drumline paying music. not a 30 second drum break. But out front grooving and moving. When was the last classic drum solo, Cadets 2000? God I miss the Vanguard solos of the late 70's early 80's
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Why is this okay when a few months ago we were beating someone over the head for looking for a black good looking male guard instructor. Isn't this the same thing. Saying I want only women is like saying I want only Mexicans.
And please don't say its tradition. Tradition kept alot of people down for too many years. I'm waiting ( not looking forward to it) for that one young lady that sues the Cavaliers or Madison over keeping her out. Legally the Boy Scouts can't keep out girls just like the Girl Scouts can't keep out boys.
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I don't know if your could catagorize Gold as a all brass high school. There used to be Northpoint. I might have the name wrong. Pennsville used to be 98% all brass back in the day (early 80's)
Maybe DCI should look into a high school division when most district go to year round classes.
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A drum corps that regularly places 20 spots out of first place at the DCI World Championships gets a new director via Craigslist who replaces one who was killed in mid-July when a meteor hit him in the head in front of his corps during an outdoor rehearsal. The new director motivates the members to work extra hard in memory of the fallen director and the corps, with only 75 members, comes out smoking. Everyone in the stands knows the story of what happened and we see lots of close-ups of the audience crying during the corps' performances, especially when new flags emblazoned with the deceased director's image stream across the field. Each week the corps moves up in the rankings and takes tenth in Prelims, fifth in Semifinals and wins Finals by half a tenth with a performance that has the audience throwing seat cushions towards the field. The corps that was undefeated all season until Finals is initially shocked, but then breaks ranks to lift all the members of the smaller corps up on their shoulders. A John Williams fanfare blares forth from the speakers and no one leaves the stands before their victory run-through. On the way to the buses, everyone is still crying and we hear a member from the second-place corps state, "I wouldn't have believed it if I wasn't here." The corps makes it back to the gym of their school, still on cloud nine. During a celebratory pizza party, a sudden rogue tornado demolishes the gym and everyone dies. [Roll ending credits.]
Dude, I'm a little verklemp......
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I know we talked about snare and bass players but I don't remember ever seeing a female tenor player besides in all girl corps. Has there anyone in recent years? I see them alot in College drum lines.
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Cut the guy some slack; his story is way less far-out than most #### nowadays. And even if it doesn't make sense, it doesn't have to, it's a movie.
I'll think on mine and get back to you.
Maybe something similar to Die Hard. Some fan that takes things too far takes DCI headquarters hostage threatening to blow it up unless he gets all of the billions of dollars DCI has locked up. Or DCI promises to go back to G bugles and all-acoustic. George Hopkins takes charge as John McClane and saves the future of drum corps.
Thanks...some people just take things way to seriously....
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Um..... I'm sorry, but even Drumline is more realistic than some random girl's dad taking over DCI with henchmen and keeping kids from performing on time.
There have been movies about drum corps, but they've only been documentaries. I think a DCI scripted movie should be about the experience and hardships of being in a touring corps, not the politics.
Have you seen todays movies...Aliens, Ghosts, A sadistic murder that never gets caught, People who aren't married but are given a baby to raise. If they can make an out of control train interesting I'm sure they can do a love story-corporate takeover-drum corps movie...I mean they did make Sharkboy and Lavagirl.....
Noticing the obvious.
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Yeah...Maff wasn't my best subject. I was the guy that sat around looking good....okay maybe not. Just thought it might be interesting to break it down. I was surprised to see Phantom in 10th place as late as 86. I bet Colts have come in 12th more then any other corps 5 times and 13th 5 times. Troopers has had the best flucuation of any corps. 2nd in 72 to as low as 25th in 97.