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In 28 of DCI's 48 years, the championship has been won by one of two corps from California. In 1 of DCI's 48 years, the championship has been hosted in the same state as one of the two corps referenced above. They have already invested more of their fair share of financial and logistical resources to the activity.

Not to mention the influence of design and trends. I find it appalling that anyone would think that either organization owes anything to DCI to participate in the dog and pony show just to prop up DCI. In fact it’s the other way around.

I don’t believe it’s a good economic situation for any corps to participate in this Indy dog and pony show. Stay home and plan for 2022, because corps will need a lot more money then ever before to tour.

Funny part is, back when I created the DCP FB page, the thought was that if you had your real name attached to posts, it might require less moderation and might have civil discussions. Boy was I mistaken... o_O I'm sure there's a sociology paper in there somewhere. Mike

What I'm gathering from this paragraph is that some movements (e.g., patriotism, religion) are okay, while others (e.g., #MeToo, #BLM discussed in a response, others promoting justice and equality) are to be avoided. I guess the stance is "only do stuff that I'm okay with." That's a fine stance - just be open about it.

I think there are many people, including myself, on DCP who have grave concerns about the current state of drum corps that need to be addressed. And many of those concerns are being addressed. However, our concern is a reflection of our passion and love of the activity. We want drum corps to be all that it can be ... a positive, transformational experience for all MMs. Just because we acknowledge that there are problems that need to be overcome, whether it is for the upcoming hypothetical season or beyond, doesn’t mean we want drum corps to die. It means we want a healthy activity. Financially

Here in Maine, tomorrow 4/8 they are opening up the vaccines to EVERYBODY 16 yrs old and older, with anyone under 18 requiring parental consent. I agree that the individual drum corps will have no trouble requiring vaccinations for all members, staff and support staff. In BAC's case, they are again having their spring training in the remote location of Castleton, Vermont, literally surrounded by mountains and not near anything. Talk about a bubble! As they started a couple years ago, they will probably continue having the members sleep in the dorms and eat in the dining center. I plan to vi

lets face it....its going to cost more this summer when you take in all of the costs associated to following all of the recommended guidelines. if the kids and/or their families want to pay it, go for it.

They will not have issues recruiting top talent for 2022.

We got our first student, age 18, who received both their vaccination shots, well past the incubation period, that winded up testing positive. Although rare, don’t tell me about statistics either. It happens and will happen again, although it is rare. But I’m also someone who is not entirely on either side. I’ll go out to eat or shop. We hit the bar with friends occasionally. We practice safe protocols. I’m just making the best decisions I can which I know are neither good nor bad. I’m sure the leadership of these corps are trying to make the best decision possible. Praying fo

I right there with you. I am planning on going to Indy this year and maybe another show or two. If I like what I see, I will be back. I will also give a benefit of the doubt if the shows aren’t as polished as usual this year because it isn’t going to be a “typical” year. But if I don’t like what I see in the next couple of years, I will go softly into the good night with no hard feelings.

I don't mean this as a personal referendum, but I vehemently disagree with literally everything you say in this statement. Mike

I'm sure BD would be fine providing DCI a documentary film of their travels and/or performances for all to see what they missed out on. Very well could be the star attraction!

I got the JNJ Janssen today. I read that here in Illinois that they’re vaccinating 16 and up with the Pfizer now. That should help with reopening drum corps. Dr. Fauci said today that there is very little chance that vaccinated people will spread the virus.

Yes, a lot of this was covered, but for whatever reason (insert DCI conspiracy theory of your choice), the Covid document is no longer on line. Publishing the information could go a long way in mitigating some concerns potential marching members (or their parents) have concerning th eproposed summer events. Perhaps the document is now stored in the same secure location as 1975 Muchachos score sheets.

It's only a small number of people who don't see the value in her reactions. She's been very open to learning about our world, and it always baffles me when some of our community see that as something of a threat. It's like people saying they'd start a corps if they won the lottery, yet hating on Bill Cook for doing EXACTLY THAT with his own funds. You can't have it both ways, people. I was the first person to pay for a reaction vid (Bloo '14) and was happy to pay for others when I had money....and I just paid for another. Her appreciation is genuine....she's defin

I'm not sure that's what he was saying. I took it to mean the electronics would be more prevalent than in the past to compensate (perhaps not the right word) for corps' shortened time to prepare their production designs. The point made previously that 2021 shows are not going to be in the same qualitative measure as 2019 is likely a valid assessment. If the surprised comment was directed at old school DCPers, you'd probably be more surprised at the number of us who not only agree with you on the enhancement of electronics, but fully embrace them.

Who are you marching with again?

DCP has had contributors from many aspects of the activity over the years. Some of those contributors still post on the forums. You learn a lot of behind the scenes stuff by reading what they post. I do not understand how you feel that presenting a counter argument in these challenging times means people don't want drum corps at all.

https://www.ajc.com/news/atlanta-news/atlanta-schools-to-resume-rentals-of-fields-stadiums/VLRDQJZFSNGADFKB5JJXK646TQ/ Atlanta schools are resuming their rental of school stadiums and facilities to community groups. This is a really positive sign that the environment may be right for a 2022 resumption of tour.

My wife is the same way about motels.

I find it interesting that certain people like to reflect on how wrong scientists and other authorities were with regard to the pandemic as it was unfolding, as if they somehow purposely mislead the public. People demand answers and if others are wrong, they love to criticize in some sort of a higher-than-mighty position as newer facts are revealed. Someone recently commented about the virus on surface areas and how wrong the initial guidelines were. No allowance for revised scientific study to confirm that there was really little chance of transmission. Just that they were "Wrong!" a

I’m a kind of old and kind of fat, so I’m kind of glad to know Jeff.

Brass player

I wouldn’t be 29 again on a bet. I like who I am and what I am now much more than who I was then. And I don’t care what label anyone slaps on me.

Discussing Facebook and Myspace? Are you Dino's looking for old friends? Myspace founder Tom was not so bad when you compare him to the current social media flops. https://www.newsweek.com/myspace-tom-anderson-founder-trends-viral-tweet-social-media-1517623 "He never sold our data, never tried to influence elections, never lobbied against privacy legislations... what a man. Myspace was just too pure for this world."

The activity has always had phases. Looking back, there are times through the years that changes were introduced, only to be further changed, or forgotten later on. I remember a time in the '80s when many guards were not using traditional equipment. Some shows had no rifles and that was from some very prominent groups. The activity continues to evolve. Nothing is finite. Today's trends are tomorrow's memories.

I don’t think that way at all. I’m sure the world will keep spinning long after I’ve shuffled off this mortal coil. I just don’t want to go to Indy anymore. I’ll probably go to Atlanta if we ever get back to anything approaching normal.

My nephew is in his mid-30s ,with no underlying conditions. He got a really bad case of covid last year. Fever,chills,fatigue and difficulty breathing.Took weeks before he started feeling better. He still has respiratory issues and tinnitus. His doctors think the tinnitus may have been caused by a mini-stroke. His doctors are hoping the vaccine,which he gets the end of May,might help with the tinnitus. But they've also told him,it may never go away. He said,he tells everyone,get vaccinated. Any side effects are better then what covid can do to you.

I stand by my statement. Sounds like a lot is up-in-the-air.

No, I do not agree. I do wish every corps found it viable and feasible to go to Indy but I do not think any corps should feel an obligation to participate in any capacity at the expense of the corps’ well being (financially or otherwise).

I have also noticed that she has become more knowledgeable in her commentary, so she is definitely learning.

I have not heard anyone auditioning for woodwinds. That would diminish the shows in my opinion. Woodwinds have no place in the marching arts in my opinion. I have to agree with you on your statement for woodwinds and music stage acts.

This activity has continued to evolve slowly and gradually, but does evolve mean to get better? From purely a design standpoint we have seen some incredible productions from every era too. Yet for a multitude of reasons many no longer have the same passion or interest and have stepped away. When I read about woodwinds instruments being used or "Drum Corps" evolve to become more like "Musical Stage" acts, I'm left to consider “whether” or “if" I have the stomach for any of this anymore.

Checking In From The West Coast Analyzing the Latest News From VMAPA, SCV has no official announcements regarding 2021 beyond "more" fundraising activites, Introducing the 2021 Vanguard Hall of Fame Class, Ticket’s for Vanguard’s Virtual Birthday Dinner now available!, Executive Team 2020 Year-End Letter, VMAPA Announces 2021 Board of Directors Leadership, and various virtual clips. Further, VMAPA has adopted a "political position" in the current political climate which I personally do not like. The activity Drum Corps's evolved from an era of patriotism by The American Legion a

It was a joke. Don’t get cross and get your lederhosen in a bunch on account of not watching more carefully.

Yeah fiscal responsibility isn’t sad. Those corps are just doing that is best for themselves

nobody's competing this year bd, scv, and lots of other corps made the choice not to take part in the exhibitions this year for a lot of very good reasons, and "sad" isn't the right word for their choice, imo.

Understanding only happens in the mind that is willing to accept it ($0.02 to Louis Pasteur)

In that past long while I've seen many well thought-out posts. The fact that some view them as abject negativity puzzles me. It's as if the people who respond want to make others believe that other opinions have a magical say in how the coming months will progress.

For a corps to decide to either participate or in the 2021 season is pragmatic and can be different for each corps even if the goal, a stronger 2022 season, is the same. Unless there is a huge shake up at Blue Devils, BD can sit out the season and most likely will still attract the top talent. SCV who is often in lockstep with BD may be sitting out the season, but their finances have been more precarious. What will most likely be an exhibition tour would not be in their best interest. For Cavies who are close to regaining their prominence and BAC who are making steady progress, this could

Stuff like this happens...

Sigh... bottom line is this has hit every way possible in every demographic. Trying to make this sound like it only really hits certain groups or doesn’t hit certain groups is unrealistic. Thinking of remarks I’ve seen and heard over the past year seems like people are trying to convince themselves it won’t happen to them. Some sound like they are scared and some sound like they are too “macho” or egotistical to get sick like everyone else. Edit: and playing the percentage game takes on a different meaning when you consider the NUMBER of people even a small percentage represents

oh i am very aware. i am pretty sure what friends and family have experienced this past year, i am probably more aware of how everything plays out for those infected than you are.

They were $700 for three day for two people in 2019 so I don’t know how much higher they can go.

Mars took it seriously from the beginning, but the moon is full of swiss cheese.

Which is why it’s makes no sense to tour or ask participants to pay $3,500.00 for a it doesn’t matter two week tour to Indy.

This season could be one where the remaining competitors shape a whole new era. I don’t expect Bluecoats, or the other top corps, to let up on the gas even slightly. Bloo, for example, has been innovating show design for a long time. With double the planning time of any other season, I think we are going to see some memorable and groundbreaking stuff.

These are tough decisions. No doubt, the leaders of BD, SCV, and Crown have weighed the considerations carefully. In 18-24 months we’ll know whether the decision to field a competitive corps for 2021 was a wise one, or not. That being said, I have an increased appreciation for the corps who have committed to a competitive 2021 season, and who are fortifying the activity’s major events this summer.

They are not banned yet. You don't need to worry, you will be working hard in your participant corps in the first leaders chair extraordinaire otherwise known to band people.