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Well, this is a Madison Scouts thread, so the question posed on this thread above on whether The Scouts were going back to an All Male Drum Corps this season ( 2019 ) with the Madison Scouts naturally pertains to them here. The Cavaliers did not have any females in their line last season to prompt a discussion on whether or not they intend to be All Male for 2019. its just assumed they will be All Male in 2019. That said, whether or not a Corps will likely remain exclusive to Males alone in the future probably is a question that pertains equally to both, and is irrespective of either's competitive success/ failures, imo.
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“Failure to Protect”
IllianaLancerContra replied to Terri Schehr's topic in DCI World Class Corps Discussions
This is a good point - unfortunately the only way to enter the legal system's offenders list is to, well, commit an offense. Note the singular - one offence should be all it takes to get listed (one & done). But, this still means that an offence leading to a conviction is committed against someone. However, I don't think we should be putting individuals on a list just because they are "creepy" or make someone uncomfortable -IMHO there has to be a legal conviction. Another thought - there should be some way for offender lists to cross State (or other jurisdictional) boundaries. If I go to my local Home Depot in Virginia, there warning label that says 'this product contains something State of California says can cause cancer'. Under this paradigm a search would say 'This individual has been put on a sex offender list by the State of New Jersey' -
2019 Madison Scouts!
IllianaLancerContra replied to Prsmpower4's topic in DCI World Class Corps Discussions
Schopenhauer's law of entropy states: If you put a spoonful of wine in a barrel of sewage, then you have sewage. And if you put a spoonful of sewage in a barrel of wine, you also have sewage. Madison was coed in 2018 (& 1971, & whatever the Carmen year was) ps - I am not saying Women are sewage - the point is that one female (or male in case of all-female Corps) makes a Corps coed. -
Not trying to be "that guy," and I get this is a Scouts thread, but is there the same level of interest in The Cavaliers adding females? I haven't noticed if there is and that leads me to wonder if the reason is because of the relative competitive success/failure of the two organizations. If going co-ed is good for one from a competitive standpoint why not good for the other? Don't have a dog in the fight now that my kid's aged-out of Scouts, just curious about the difference in thought regarding the two organizations.
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Amen Please name names. Who is the corps who's bring 50 kids back for 8 spots and told those kids they all have an equal chance? My guess is -- many of those kids were told you probably don't have much a chance but you're still welcome to return for experience. Most corps are brutally honest about your chances; some kids don't care and think "hey at least I will be much better prepared next year". Is it sad those kids choose not to march at other programs? Yeah because they could learn so much by actually marching a season and dramatically improve their chance of making the cut next year. But in most cases that's the performer's choice not the corps. Most corps do refer kids somewhere. The kids just want to march their choice or nothing. As for the "fundraiser" claim... well it's not a very good one. You can do it for maybe 2 camps (December and January) and then you need to focus on the contracted members. And the expenses do scale with numbers. You're flying in and paying a much larger staff. You need bigger facilities. More volunteers. The only way to make real dollars doing that is to bring back a LOT of kids for a LOT of camps. That's a lot easier and cheaper to do on tour via clinics.
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Spoke with Scott Litzenberg at camp about the uniforms for 2019. You will be pleased!
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But not the MADISON SCOUTS.
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I don't know if that can be stated with such certainty however, FlamMan. Lots of Corps.. dozens... began as All Male, but as times evolved, became Co'ed. The Cadets, for example, were an All Male Drum Corps for 35 years before eventually opening their ranks to Females. Phantom Regiment was an All Male Corps in 1963... But became Coed in '64, and never looked back. Times are changing. Its been over a decade now since an All Male Corps has won a DCI Title. Females are moving up in all strata of society since the 60's. DCI, in particular, are moving females into leadership positions all through the ranks of DCI Drum Corps. Slower than some might want, but we see it happening with increasing frequency anyway. That can be expected to accelerate in my opinion over the next decade and further. Not only in the staff ranks, but in the judging ranks, and Show Design ranks as well over the next decade or so, imo. Given that changed societal dynamic , it seems likely that DCI will not be able to successfully field TWO All Male Corps in its ranks much longer, imo. Not sure they'll be an All Male Corps by the time today's High Schoolers marching DCI Drum Corps have reached their 30's as a matter of fact. Many of today's DCA Corps than began in the 60's or before, began as All Male Drum Corps. They are all Co'ed today now. Even the US Military has changed their ways. Few once thought we'd ever see females in the US Military. That the US Military would remain All Male... and most certainly, we'd never see them participating in combat missions some day. But there you go.
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I thought last year ( her first ) was her age out year in DCI with the Madison Scouts. No ?
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Did the Corps change its name to that after they got those Unis from the Royal- Airs ?
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the beauty of Vanguards show last year was it was only super deep if you wanted to dig for it. Hence the style uniform they had. They didn't need that to help communicate the concept
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As a parent of a kid entering his 6th DCI season with two to go following 2019, I remain “less than convinced” that those organizations with feeder groups truly use them as traning grounds to bring members up.
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Madison will never go coed.
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Maggie Whiteman Joins Seattle Cascades As Drum Major Consultant
FlamMan replied to DCP NewsFeed's topic in DCI World Class Corps Discussions
Drum major consultant? Drum major program? What??? -
The Battalion are using an old Boston Crusaders uniform.
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That happened a lot. How about how the Royal-Airs unis ended up on the Stardusters?
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The video in which Scott Litzenberg indicated that Cadets' goal was to steer the corps away from being followers and more into being the leaders again got me thinking about what other innovative concept could possibly be done in the activity. Sometimes I feel there is so much that has already been done and it usually surprises me when a corps comes up with something new to drum corps. I'm really hoping for great things from Cadets next season, but the basic thing I want from them is to make me scream for them again (and last season was definitely a start given the storm cloud that hung over them throughout). Additionally, I am curious as to what approach to uniforms they will take in 2019; will they go with the Cadets traditional type uniform (which I do not think they will, given how drum corps are making uniforms that fit into their show), will they create some sort of modern version of the old uniform (I am not sure about that either), or will they make the uniform fit with the show? Using Vanguard's show last season as an example, I really don't understand how that uniform fit with their show; I think they would have been fine wearing their regular uniform, or maybe I just didn't understand the concept. I don't necessarily believe the uniform needs to fit into the show concept in order to do well. Personally, I would love a modern version of the old Cadets uniform, but I am fine with their using "costumes" to fit into their show. I just don't want anything like the monstrosity they had last season. I'm really looking forward to a new era of Cadets of hopefully going back to their tradition of crowd-pleasing, jaw-dropping, baby-throwing shows. I really want that for them next season.
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George Hopkins Charged with two Counts Sexual Assault
Terri Schehr replied to camel lips's topic in DCI World Class Corps Discussions
A lot of women have been waiting for that perp walk. -
George Hopkins Charged with two Counts Sexual Assault
BRASSO replied to camel lips's topic in DCI World Class Corps Discussions
Now he's fundraising for another Cause. His bail money. -
George Hopkins Charged with two Counts Sexual Assault
BRASSO replied to camel lips's topic in DCI World Class Corps Discussions
Sounds like She might consider it compassionate Pro Bono work in your case, so consider yourself most fortunate. -
Ironically, a lot of the Open Class Corps,... and even several of he lower placing World Class Division Corps... each and every season have lots of openings in their ranks, where if one has decent skills and the right attitude, one can find a spot in line comparatively easily and without incurring all these Fall, and Winter audition camp fees that some people complain about. The numbers of cut auditioneers from the elite level Corps camps that opt not to march DCI or DCA Corps at all has me thinking... " my goodness, thats too bad, all around ".
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Larson is an outlier. Yes a records check would have caught him, but until schools stop sweeping stuff under the rug, the legal systems stops allowing actions to be expunged, and most importantly people learn to stop ####### kids, background checks will never be enough
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George Hopkins Charged with two Counts Sexual Assault
FTNK replied to camel lips's topic in DCI World Class Corps Discussions
What a piece of trash. Good to see him perp walk. Arrogant and flippant as usual. -
Instructional staffs holding the administration accountable is ideal but not without its consequences. The hiring of design and instructional staff is finalized by administrators. If an administrator hears that the staffer they are hiring can be a pain in the a$$ towards the administration, that staffer has less of a chance of getting hired or rehired. This happens in DCI & DCA regularly. “I heard” or “she has a reputation of” gets more validity than actually doing a fact finding interview nowadays. Everyone should focus on giving a great member experience including the administration. Or at least what they agree to in the member contract. Let the staff worry about the competition. Many of today’s staffers are certified teachers and can’t have themselves associated with organizations that are tainted with poor hiring and firing decisions that tie directly to negative member experience. Let alone recruit for an organization that knowingly hired someone with a documented history of sexual misconduct. The people who get labeled as pains in the a$$e$ are the ones corps should be hiring not black balling. They have a vested interest in member experience and will likely support administrative initiatives that are geared towards a positive experience. As well as recruiting. ~Ned~
